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196687.104 in reply to 196687.103
Date: 9/26/2011 2:20:49 PM
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I've always been able to make a consistent profit from the draft. Personally, it'd be extremely rare for me to keep a trainee from the draft but I'm certainly in the business of simply flipping short dudes for 800k-1.2million every season.

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196687.105 in reply to 196687.104
Date: 9/26/2011 5:08:03 PM
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Yeah, I can usually make quite a chunk of dough out of the draft selling guys. Not quite that much, but definitely more than I spent each year on scouting for it.

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196687.106 in reply to 196687.104
Date: 9/26/2011 6:53:45 PM
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I think we had this discussioin in another thread somewhere when I pointed out that the BEST player in my league draft last season sold for less than that and the second best sold for $30,000 and the third best for $3,000. You are having a run of totally incredible luck. It happens. I have had it too. But it isn't the normal thing.

From: yodabig

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196687.107 in reply to 196687.99
Date: 9/26/2011 7:18:15 PM
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A lot to read and I am quite tired so instead of responding in detail as I normally would I will just try to restate my position.

1) Buy 3 x 19 year olds right after the draft with good skills and at least allstar potential (probably can do better). Spend a max of $25,000 on each.

2) Buy a level 4 fitness trainer, should be able to get one with less than $20,000 a week salary for less than $25,000.

3) Total initial investment is less than $100,000. We can forget the wages because they will be playing for the team but we will have to pay for the trainer so lets say 4 seasons = 56 x$20,000 - 1,120,000 which is quite a lot.

4) Train for 4 seasons so at age 19, 20, 21 and 22. Always single position where possible. With some 1on1, some JS but remember our target was 12/12/12. Lots of people claim numbers like 14 pops a season or 12 lets stick to a more modest 10 average.

5) Assuming an average of average in all starting skills. 6,6,6,6,6,6.

6) About a season of OD will take it to 12 easily and get say 3 secondary pops say 1 each in JS, HA and DR. 9 total.
About 2/3 of a season of PA will take that to 12 easily leaving time for a couple of pops in JR. Will get another HA and DR. 10 total.
A season of 1on1, this is pop central, should be able to get at least 4 pops in each of JS, HA and DR. 12 total.

The three players are already like this:
11/8/12/11/11/12
and we have another entire season left to cover inuries, foul outs, incompetent training, get one more JS pop, 2 more JR and why not get HA and DR to 12 each as well. 5 total!

7) Surely we can agree this is not amazing training, but very average. 9, 10, 12 and 5 pops is not impressive.

This makes the player sensational in all primaries but for prominent JR and lets go for mediocre in all secondaries. My salary calculator makes him a $34,706 PG.

8) Sell. We has long discussions about this but I still think this player will sell for at least a million, and if he had high potential (a 6'0" 4k superstar with good starting skills drafted from my league sold for $3,000 this season) lets say superstar he could easily be worth $2,000,000. After 4 seasons tax will be close to 0.

f you sell all three you are making about a minimum of $2,000,000 profit at worst up to $5,000,000 at best. More than a million a year extra profit for a division V team. Seems good to me.

9) My opinion. I would never sell all those guys myself. Instead I would keep two and sell one so that I can start again with big men and have better trainees but that final decision doesn't matter. It is the business model I am discussing.

Feel free to point out any flaws I am happy to discuss this at further length and I am still also holding one trump card close to my chest.

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196687.110 in reply to 196687.106
Date: 9/27/2011 7:51:30 AM
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I don't think so. I think people just hit the panic button and get nothing for them.

I sold a 6'1 all-star for 800k recently, was he worth 800k right off the bat? No. I think his TL had a max estimate of 400k. So I trained him until he was 19 and increased his value.

Nothing really incredibly lucky about some 5, 3 Guards selling well, they are in almost every draft and pretty easy to flip.


From: GWgw

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196687.112 in reply to 196687.87
Date: 9/27/2011 11:02:43 AM
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It gets a LOT harder to draft good rookies when you get to the higher divisions. No bots and you know the guys in the bottom of the standings will be investing heavily in the draft so it is harder for a good prospect to get by them.

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196687.113 in reply to 196687.112
Date: 10/3/2011 7:01:29 PM
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aaah what a discussion..wooh.. just want to say if you have patience you can train players if no spend some money and buy some big-men. Hope you all will agree with this. :)

From: Gologol

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196687.114 in reply to 196687.80
Date: 10/6/2011 6:19:30 AM
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Reading your posts is a little like dumpster diving. You have useful information in there, but the reader has to sift through all the personal attacks and "I could have done it better than you" crap. Whatever respect people have for you is based on your team's performance. I can't imagine it's based on your interpersonal skills.

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