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219023.104 in reply to 219023.101
Date: 7/24/2012 12:09:12 PM
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You keep missing my point. I'm not sure why you think I'm saying there are no overpaid players in the NBA, but since skills are subjective in the real world compared to objective in this game, the NBA has no choice but to act on salary in order to force teams to feature skilled players. Then there are contracts in the NBA, which can turn out good or bad (which is why some players are overpaid and some underpaid), which does not apply in this game anyway...


How are the skills subjective in the real world?
Does LeBron James jump higher in Miami than he did in Cleveland because Miami "thinks" he jumps higher?

The skills are just as objective as here. The subjectivity is just the same as here. Do the skills that the player has, fit in with my team, fit in with my offense, fit in with my defense? If not, should I try and force it, should I find a different player whom can, or should I change my offense? Sometimes even a simple option of "should I bring this player off the bench" like with jason terry.

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219023.105 in reply to 219023.104
Date: 7/24/2012 12:18:55 PM
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How are the skills subjective in the real world?
Does LeBron James jump higher in Miami than he did in Cleveland because Miami "thinks" he jumps higher?

The skills are just as objective as here.


no, but LeBron play a little different role in cleveland then in Miami which maybe hide 1-2 weaknesses better or underline his strength more.

And the discipline "jumping high", is properly one you can measure very good but for example the Jumpshot is described more roughly in real live then here where agent know it "exactly" and put it into salary calculation.

While in basketball, the scouts often have problems to predict how player, will play after a single good season or when they reach a higher level(i.e. Morrision).

Also there are in reality manager who are better or worse, in getting the max paycheck.

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219023.106 in reply to 219023.104
Date: 7/24/2012 12:19:54 PM
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Really?

Are you sure you're not mistaking skills for stats?

"Air is beautiful, yet you cannot see it. It's soft, yet you cannot touch it. Air is a little like my brain." - Jean-Claude Van Damme
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219023.107 in reply to 219023.101
Date: 7/24/2012 6:07:00 PM
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I won my II.div league from this position from salary point of view (179161.3).

So if you go after the fan survey, which already drops for a team who loses most of his games in divI, it does not matter if it's a tanker or normal team. Tanker still nets near 500k. How do you differenciate a tanker and a normal team? Can you say 100% that this or that team is a tanker because of ...
That's why the salary floor needs to be adjusted.

Your skill floor suggestion is way out there. You can make teams pay extra salarys, what happens to teams under the skill floor, they get removed from the league?, get additional skills assigned to them?, get fined? If I have mono/double/tripple skill players, I already get punished by salary and ingame performance.

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219023.108 in reply to 219023.105
Date: 7/24/2012 6:21:33 PM
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Also there are in reality manager who are better or worse, in getting the max paycheck.



Precisely my point. The skills of the players are not what is subjective. Guy gets traded mid-season, his skills are not different for the one team vs the other. His skills are the same. The one coach just might utilize him differently than the other.


Not CrazyEye, but Thelonious guy

Is jumping a statistic or a skill? I'm pretty sure I explained very clearly what I meant... GM-Crazyeye got it. If its confusing though, I will re-phrase it.

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219023.109 in reply to 219023.107
Date: 7/25/2012 2:50:16 AM
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..which means the fan survey needs to be modified, even if it is slightly.

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219023.110 in reply to 219023.108
Date: 7/25/2012 6:12:38 AM
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If skills were objective, then why do people seem unable to come together and decide what's Joe Johnson's value? Or who of Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitski is the best player? Or whether or not Oscar Robertson would outplay Tyreke Evans...

"Air is beautiful, yet you cannot see it. It's soft, yet you cannot touch it. Air is a little like my brain." - Jean-Claude Van Damme
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219023.111 in reply to 219023.110
Date: 7/25/2012 6:51:22 AM
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If skills were objective, then why do people seem unable to come together and decide what's Joe Johnson's value? Or who of Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitski is the best player? Or whether or not Oscar Robertson would outplay Tyreke Evans...


The skills themselves are objective.

People unable to decide, etc. People's opinion, etc. Are subjective.

The only argument for skills changing/subjective are Altitude effect, Aging, and Practice.

Determining Joe Johnson's value... well, Joe Johnson is more valuable in a offense that doesn't have him posting up in the paint, agree or disagree? Or where he could be more of a catch and shoot like Stojakovic, agree or disagree? Or, maybe you iso him and let him think he's Carmello, agree or disagree?

In all those situations there... Joe Johnson's skills are no different. They are the same skills Joe Johnson has period. However, you'd get 3 very different forms of production in those 3 different situations.

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219023.112 in reply to 219023.111
Date: 7/25/2012 7:09:22 AM
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The skills themselves are objective.

People unable to decide, etc. People's opinion, etc. Are subjective.

Why not, it's another way to say the same thing. What matters is that they are not available to anyone, unlike here.

"Air is beautiful, yet you cannot see it. It's soft, yet you cannot touch it. Air is a little like my brain." - Jean-Claude Van Damme
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219023.114 in reply to 219023.113
Date: 7/25/2012 10:53:10 AM
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We may have discussions about it, but I think most here agree that salary is far less indicative than say, skillcount to determine who is the best player.

"Air is beautiful, yet you cannot see it. It's soft, yet you cannot touch it. Air is a little like my brain." - Jean-Claude Van Damme
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