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191779.105 in reply to 191779.103
Date: 7/27/2011 5:34:45 PM
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And there is : "Although players will always receive a set amount of cross-training, it is difficult to predict which unrelated skills will improve on a weekly basis." So not all skills would improve.


I understand it like "all skills will slowly be improving, but week by week, it will be hard to tell which one will pop.

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191779.106 in reply to 191779.105
Date: 7/27/2011 5:39:17 PM
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And there is : "Although players will always receive a set amount of cross-training, it is difficult to predict which unrelated skills will improve on a weekly basis." So not all skills would improve.


I understand it like "all skills will slowly be improving, but week by week, it will be hard to tell which one will pop.

What this means is when you train OD for 2 weeks, you will still get 90% of the training in OD both times, but you might get 10% in SB the first week and the second week 10% in ID, and 0% in SB. Or the other way around, or different skills altogether.

If it takes 2 weeks for SB to pop (with SB training), doesn't mean you automatically get at a pop in SB when training OD for 20 weeks, or 200 or 2000 (if you're unlucky).
If all skills were equal (which I doubt) you would, IN AVERAGE, get a pop in SB every 180 weeks of OD training.

Last edited by Thelonious at 7/27/2011 5:43:03 PM

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191779.107 in reply to 191779.106
Date: 7/27/2011 5:44:42 PM
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Aha ok, now I understand. I understood it's like this:

1 week of OD at 90% and all other skills at 10/9 % (because 10% is distributed among 9 skills, so 10/9). But you are right, this would take each skill nearly 100 weeks to improve for a full pop. I think it's more like you said.

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191779.108 in reply to 191779.105
Date: 7/27/2011 5:45:37 PM
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I don't think "improving" means "getting a pop". It's simply improving.

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191779.109 in reply to 191779.108
Date: 7/27/2011 5:48:03 PM
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Still it's fair to assume 1/180th of OD trainees this week will pop in SB, providing they're 18 years old, SB pops every 2 weeks, and all..

Last edited by Thelonious at 7/27/2011 5:51:36 PM

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191779.111 in reply to 191779.109
Date: 7/27/2011 5:52:32 PM
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I don't know, at first I thought only unrelated skills would receive cross-training, now I am not sure what the news says...

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191779.112 in reply to 191779.110
Date: 7/27/2011 5:58:41 PM
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i think any change that encourages a team to put players out of position for training is a poor one. it will encourage teams to be less competitive on the court and more focused on training.


I agree with this, but the cross-training was never meant to solve the "training out of position" problem (unless you thought that, say, by training ID, one could also designate a guard skill where to allocate some secondary training).

I see in this post two complaints I do not agree with: one is that the change is irrealistic, the other is that the random pops will have undesired effects on salary.

On the irrealistic charge, nothing about training is realistic, so I just don't see the point of it.

The effects on salary are vastly overmatched by the fact that for another season, salaries at the top end have fallen considerably (to the point where Elias Cardenas is almost an employable player), and this trend will presumably continue.

The real problem is that this puts some cap points outside of the trainer's control. Players will cap partly for random reasons. That's the only thing that I know I'm a little skeptical about. For all the rest we have to wait and see.


Bingo!
For me these are the problems.

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191779.114 in reply to 191779.111
Date: 7/27/2011 6:01:50 PM
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For all I know you could be right. To me it doesn't seem like they just added some extra skills to each training, more like they overhauled the system while keeping the core ideas.

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191779.115 in reply to 191779.110
Date: 7/27/2011 6:04:29 PM
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I see in this post two complaints I do not agree with: one is that the change is irrealistic, the other is that the random pops will have undesired effects on salary.


my post was kinda all over the place, wasn't trying to complain about the changes or say they would cause more out of position training.

i think the random pops are more realistic, players improve in unpredictable ways in real life, its not an exact science.

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