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Hi everybody. I ´ve been thinking about playoff. What is gonna be best for my team. I am not gonna talk about 5th vs. playoffs, I want to talk about challenge - ultimate thing managers have to have to play this online game. It should be - trophies, winning etc. BUT, lets see:
I have, lets say, 1M on my account entering the playoffs as No1 team in my division. Now, count with me:
Scenario1, i will lose first PO game:
1 PO game played (LOST)= 1M cash + 0,3M gate reciepts +0,3M economy updateI (becose i dont pay salaries next week) -0,5M economy updateII = 1,1M
Scenario2, i will lose second PO game:
2PO games played (WIN, DEFEAT) = 1M cash + 0,6M gate reciepts +0,3M economy updateI -0,5M economy updateII =1,4M
Scenario3, i will play 2 final games:
4PO games played= 1M cash + 0,6M gate reciepts -0,5M economy updateI +0,55M gate reciepts -0,5 economy updateII = 1,15M
Scenario4, i will play maximum games:
5PO games played = 1M cash + 0,6M gate reciepts -0,5M economy updateI +0,8M gate reciepts -0,5 economy updateII = 1,4M

Bottom line:
It is economicaly equal to play 3 final games or lose conference finals!
It is economicaly worse to play 2 final games than to lose in conference finals!!

Yes if you win you have trophy but for the loser? Isn´t it nonsense that the runner-up ends up worse than two teams below him??? And i am not talking about the week in which 3rd and 4th team can change their roster and sell their players while finalists have to keep their best rosters so they can not make moves on market..
Something is wrong in here..
I believe that better teams should have at least little advantage economical, that might be equalised other way for other teams (more market options etc.) otherwise managers won´t be motivated to win and that means end of the game, that is why in our D1 3 teams went bots and our NT coach quits and senior managers lose their enthusiasm to play and that is why number of managers decreases and that is why this game is going to die.

Thanks BB-Marin, I think we will all cross finger with you :)

The SB issue seems like the most important topic. We are planning on making some changes in the GE next season, hopefully to be implemented after the AllStar break. The changes should affect the LI domination as well as the SB issue. I cannot give you more details but I believe it will be officially announced in the next seasons' newspost. It's not 100% yet (well, at least the time of the change isn't), therefore it's not announced in a newspost at this time.

I hope you considered a salaries change about SB too. It's the biggest problem right now after all. You have to chose between having a good SB or having the other 3 higher. The choice is obvious with the current GE.

The SB issue seems like the most important topic. We are planning on making some changes in the GE next season, hopefully to be implemented after the AllStar break. The changes should affect the LI domination as well as the SB issue. I cannot give you more details but I believe it will be officially announced in the next seasons' newspost. It's not 100% yet (well, at least the time of the change isn't), therefore it's not announced in a newspost at this time.

Can you please make a temporary fix in the forum code allowing us to +1 this more than once per 12 hours? This is massive news.

Another issue is the complexity, since the match viewer in itself is such a big task to do, it would take a long time to develop. My estimate is that we'd need a lot of money to do it in a reasonable amount of time.

Another possible solution - live text commentary (like in HT). I think it's doable in few minutes just by few clicks.

It would be a huge deal if buzzerbeater can implement a chemistry factor into the teams in a couple seasons time. It would add something fresh to the game and make it more realistic at the same time. The longer your players have played together, the better they will perform in games.

Anyone else think this is a good idea?

Yes, kind of an enthusiasm-type influence on the match.
It would be listed on the tactics page in the same way.
Perhaps a value of 1-10 depending on # of days on the team for all the players.

Last edited by Kumiko (CAN U21) at 2/14/2013 3:59:41 PM

That's a good way to make it yeah, and maybe have new users get a default of 5 or something.

+1 my previous comment so the bb creators can see it as a priority.

Another issue is the complexity, since the match viewer in itself is such a big task to do, it would take a long time to develop. My estimate is that we'd need a lot of money to do it in a reasonable amount of time.

Another possible solution - live text commentary (like in HT). I think it's doable in few minutes just by few clicks.

I'm not familiar enough with the BBAPI program or CHPP other than on a very superficial level, but this could be a case where the BBAPI could be used to hook into a data feed representing the game and display the shots on whatever viewer intrepid coders decided to work on. The biggest problem I can think of would be dealing with live stats - you don't want to transmit the whole boxscore along with every shot attempt/foul/etc. but if you don't then joining a game in progress or having a disconnection would mean you'd have an incomplete or inaccurate box score or just not have one at all.

The live commentary would be an interesting option too. I'd be interested in knowing how accurate the shot locations are in the viewer as exists now; the more precise the location is to the location of the shot (assuming the game is actually coded that way!), the more likely it is that you'd want more than just a plain text representation. But I think the idea of giving a text feed is a great alternative to a full viewer, though an actual BBAPI plugin/app solution would be preferable.

Text commentary is practically the same thing as play-by-play option for supporters. So it exists now, only work to do is to make it visible during match. Live text commentary still is better than nothing, if match viewer doesn't work on other devices.
To convert text commentary to data source for third-party match viewer every comment with shot should be expanded by two numbers (x, y) or (r, alfa). Then graphic shot distribution in third-party viewer could be the same as in BB viewer.
Without this expand third-party viewer still is doable however "x"s and "o"s in grafics could be generated randomly (according to comment) and of course would be different than original.
However it's still worth to do.
Boxscore depends on commentary so it's always doable. So third-party program doesn't need nothing more than text commentary, boxscore and graphic could be generated independently.
Last thing is syncronization and/or how often commentary would be updated. I think 1 minute between updates would be acceptable. Then simple viewer (probably without perfect shot clock) shouldn't be hard thing to do.

I forgot - to make it doable current text commentary should be little upgraded. Shot blocks have to be always reported in commentary. Next thing - when steal occurs then name of player, who lost ball, has to be reported. And maybe few other little things when commentary isn't unequivocal, for example sometimes foul during fight for rebound after missed shot in commentary looks the same as shot foul or if two players have the same name.

Third-party proglam could be even better than original, the same as boxscore, because it would be possible to calculate other statistics for example team rebounds. I'm not sure it would be good for BBs ;-)

Last edited by B.B.King at 2/14/2013 6:10:36 PM

This doesn't necessarily mean that managers that use LI will have to change. And even if they do, you should play whatever offense works best for your team. If LI becomes more stoppable, use some other offenses that you can run effectively. In fact, when I took a look at your team, I assume that you can run Base/PTB, since you only have 2 high salaried bigs. Remember: Balance is the key, OD is king, GS is queen.

Last edited by Big Dogs at 2/14/2013 6:52:41 PM