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From: BB-Marin

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202192.108 in reply to 202192.107
Date: 11/16/2011 7:42:20 AM
TrenseRI
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I guess we're lucky you don't call the shots here, you'd strip all of us from our teams! What would that accomplish? Having people that don't play the game moderate and develop it brought us to this situation. Anthony made his mistakes probably because he understands the game so little. He was not a player when he was hired and was still learning the basics.
You have delved into the suggestions area here with all the ideas of what should be changed. Let's try and keep this discussion as focused as possible.

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202192.109 in reply to 202192.107
Date: 11/16/2011 8:30:11 AM
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Well that is kinda my point.
If we see it happen, we report it.
No one would ever know, but the GMs/BBs .

Exactly, once you report something the report will be there and it will be dealt with. A dishonest GM could not make it go away. I have no way to make you believe it, but this is what I fully believe seeing behind the curtains.

You know well that without any cheating or such intended different GMs make different decisions given esentially the same situation. In the current model GMs are just volunteers so I can't blame them for having their own perspectives on things and not making 100% the same decisions. The solution, to me, is a professional who does not play the game along side us.

We have a set of rules and procedures that guide two GM's with different background and level of experience to make as close to the same exact decision in the same exact situation as possible. But many things (for example, judging what is offensive behaviour on the forums) are not black and white, and 100% the same decision therefore cannot be guaranteed. I don't think it has anything to do with being paid or not. Not being paid means that we are not on the job all the time and we may therefore learn the job slower or be unavailable for a longer period of time, but I would like to think it does not affect the decisions we make. I certainly don't see how it would affect my decisions. I agree it affects the time I can and want to spend doing the GM work.

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202192.111 in reply to 202192.105
Date: 11/16/2011 9:32:19 AM
Kitakyushu
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I think it should be noted Anthony was caught in a few days, proof that the game community can quickly spot inconsistencies and report them.

Sorry....but it was more like 10 days, not a few days. It takes players 3 days to come off the TL(and he sold a couple of players), and if you look at when all this started it was closer to November 2nd and this thread was started on Nov. 11th. So I agree, with his team being shut down for good on the 12th. 10 days is pretty fast.

From: Trbazzi
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202192.114 in reply to 202192.113
Date: 11/16/2011 11:31:04 AM
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I consider that with this kind of discovery (cheating of BB Anthony), I have earned promotion into GM, so that I could find more patients like this (especially in Serbia) :D

If not because of that, at least because opening of this thread..every manager who means something in BB world had something to say here :D

PS:
(23462519) OMG


From: BB-Marin

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202192.115 in reply to 202192.110
Date: 11/16/2011 11:34:36 AM
TrenseRI
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You have made a number of wrong assumptions. No man alive can know everything about BuzzerBeater. The code base is too large. Hypothetically, even if such a person existed, he couldn't predict much of the things that happen in BB. An incredible amount of calculation is run every week on each player, team, league, etc... So, even if you knew all of BB code base, you couldn't use it to predict what will happen not just because you can't calculate all that, but because a lot of things have a random factor.
When you talk about my advantage with "knowing" the game, it's obvious you don't know what happens behind the "curtains". You just happen to think I have access to all the answers and that I use them to gain advantage over other players. This just shows how much prejudice you have about us. You think we are some omnipotent BB beings that can just do whatever we want and are using every possible piece of information to cheat and get ahead of other users. I am offended with that implication, since you imply that if I have the power to cheat, I must then be a cheater. Did you not read what I said about integrity? Did you ever see me cheating? And you know that the scrutiny on the BBs is enormous.
Also, you assume that my "knowledge" of the game affects my decisions as a player. Of course it does, so does everyone's. Do you not use your understanding of it when you set your lineup? Do you not use your past experiences when buying players? The thing you assumed wrong here is that I have a better position about the collection of that knowledge and experience. I'm a player just like anyone else, can't you accept that? I have not tried to find any statistics to find out how much age affects training, staff levels, whatever else you mentioned. It's not a part of the game so I don't do it. I'm sure there are a lot of people that do have better understanding of those things than I do. That would be cheating and I know it.
The assumption that I need to know everything to work here is ludicrous. It's impossible and unrealistic and shows how deluded your prejudices are, and you're asking me to quit my job based on it? Not going to happen.
I'm trying to remain calm and not lose my nerve but you're making it really hard, not because you're trying to improve the game nor because you're maybe making arguments for arguments sake but because nothing I say or do will ever satisfy you. You always have to have the last word and it will never stop. So please, drop the issue because I'm not going to quit or give up my team just because you call for it. Just think how you would feel if I did the same to you.

From: Marot

To: Coco
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202192.118 in reply to 202192.117
Date: 11/16/2011 1:42:14 PM
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Several people have straightened you out on GMs in ways that I think completely disrupt your argument about them, but just to clarify an important one I haven't seen mentioned: you can't investigate teams in your own division (I imagine there must be tiny exceptions to this rule for countries with only one active league and a very distinctive language that no other country speaks). This further limits one's ability to abuse of the GM position.

Also somebody mentioned this, but the appeal system *does* work quite well. When I was a GM and I told people to appeal to my decisions when they disagreed, I'd sometimes get responses like: "ah, that will take months".

That is *not* the case. Appeals are processed rather quickly and by people with a higher standing than ordinary GMs. I have even appealed the unjust cancellation of one of my forum posts
!


Disagree, the appeal system is totally useless, most of the times they don't answer.


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