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if i read this with consideration of the different leagues, i will throw in the point of the last league(or last human) who also have relegation matches and where the 5th placed team even don't have the advantage of beeing save from relegation.

This is going to be addressed as part of the offseason changes. However, we really do not see it as poorly balanced; 5th place teams have no chance of being relegated. Would any 5th place teams truly prefer to risk relegation in order for an extra game's payout?

In Swedish division a team tried really hard to finish 6th and even lost to a bot team in last match to get these relegation matches despite the small risk of getting relegated. Team that finished 5th wanted to avoid 6th position because of the risk of relegation.

So there are examples. And I would also try hard to finish 6th if I had little or no chance of promotion even if I actually could get relegated. You also get to chose a draft pick earlier as advantage.

You also have the advantage of 3 extra matches which gives you more training so for me the advantages with 6th place is certainly worth the effort to avoid fifth.

It certainly is way too unfair. An alternative is to give very little money from attendances from relegation matches and to not make it possible to get one more match to get extra training minutes compared to 6th place finisher.

In another management game, Managerzone, there is extremely little attendance money from promotion/relegation matches to avoid unfair advantages of losing matches to get these extra matches. So not getting promoted and not avoiding relegation matches are not an option.

In my opinion, BB must make the 5th place worth more than 6th and 7th place. It should be a disadvantage to finish 6th or 7th both economically and for the risk of relegation.

In Managerzone, You get money from scrimmages and all the bots will be at the end of the table, taking away all the risk to be relegated. In everything else I agree with you:)

Here's another suggestion.

The team that ends fifth in the group will play a knockout game with the fourth of the same group for the entrance in the playoffs. The team that wins plays with the 1st.

in this case you punish the third placed team, and get trouble with the schedule. But at least, it makes the foruth place more attractiv then the 6 and the 7th.

I am not a fan of Managerzone and I think that it gets ridiculous when you get no gate receipts.

One way to solve the fifth place problem is to add another scrimmage to compensate for lost training and to include prize money so that the fifth place finisher gets prixe money compensating for the loss of gate receipts. You can also conside relegation games to attract much less people than regular season matches but I think such solution destroys the realism of the game in a not necessary way.

But I really do think that 6th place can't be more attractive than 5th in any sense. In real sports I never heard of a situation where a team actually want to lose to get more games and more receipts. To lose to get better drafts are something that certainly exists even if teamsprobably never would admit that so that they would have less people during late season.

Would any 5th place teams truly prefer to risk relegation in order for an extra game's payout?

I do, this season at least, because of the big differences between conferences. Not just for the money, but also for training minutes and draft pick. In a harder conference/division I would think twice about it (but still consider it).

One way to limit the desire to end 6th/7th is to punish the teams season ticket holders. That would keep me away for sure.

I do, this season at least, because of the big differences between conferences. Not just for the money, but also for training minutes and draft pick. In a harder conference/division I would think twice about it (but still consider it).

i would say as stronger the leagues get, the more effective is this strategy ;) Because you normally pay alot of salary in such division ...

I also doesn't scared that much through relegation, because i think i could come strnger back to the top division with my roster.

This is going to be addressed as part of the offseason changes. However, we really do not see it as poorly balanced; 5th place teams have no chance of being relegated. Would any 5th place teams truly prefer to risk relegation in order for an extra game's payout?

I do. and I know a lot of other italians user who thins the same as me.

cheers :)

If you're going to give money to the 5th place team, then it better be less than what the 4th team gets (1/3 of the 1st placed team ticket sales). And that's not much at all.