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137913.11 in reply to 137913.10
Date: 3/28/2010 10:06:17 AM
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Moving from DV to DIV is cake he doesnt need to buy new players to do so. By just training this trainee he will be able to move up.

Why should he downgrade the guys potential when in 3-4 seasons he will be approaching his cap and then need to dish out money to get a new trainee when if he stuck with his original he could keep training him forever? The guy he has is one he can build his team around, by selling the player he is sacrificing his long term good for short term profit.

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137913.12 in reply to 137913.11
Date: 3/28/2010 10:15:04 AM
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In 2 or 3 seasons he is not going to be able to afford the guys salary. This means he is either going to have to stop training him or sell him. If he sells him, he will probably get less money for him than he would now. If he keeps him, then the remaining potential is wasted.

If he got a different trainee now, he could train him up exactly like you said for 2 or 3 seasons, and build up a team around him. If you don't want to buy players, then he can just as easily build up his arena if he is already confident of promoting. You say dish out money for a new trainee, but he is going to get millions for this trainee, and can buy one with a better skill set for less than 200k.

You say he could keep training him forever, but the fact is he can't, as soon as his salary gets expensive he will have to stop. Better to cash up now, and get a lower potential trainee that you can train for 3 seasons, and then stop once it gets too expensive without wasting potential.

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137913.13 in reply to 137913.12
Date: 3/28/2010 10:28:13 AM
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In 2 or 3 seasons he is not going to be able to afford the guys salary. This means he is either going to have to stop training him or sell him.

In 2-3 seasons he will be able to afford the guys salary just as easily as a lower potential guy. we both know salary is not affected by potential. He should be able to easily climb to D IV over the next season or two in which he could easily afford a salary up to 100k. As he climbs more divisions he will be able to afford a higher salary and not have to regret not having a higher potential player. We get so little training in this game you have to concentrate it on 2-3 players in order to maximize your benefit.

If he sells him, he will probably get less money for him than he would now.

Wrong, he would in fact get much more money. A HOF potential player w/ 2-3 seasons single position training would garner a lot higher bids than a rookie.

If you don't want to buy players, then he can just as easily build up his arena if he is already confident of promoting.

He could easily build his arena off the revenues he earns, its not like you need to drop hundreds of thousands into your arena at DV

You say he could keep training him forever, but the fact is he can't, as soon as his salary gets expensive he will have to stop.

100% wrong. I got Willis Lundy in the draft when I was in DV. Willis has been single position trained since then and is now an elite guard. His salary is easily affordable for my team and he is the only reason I have climbed to D3 almost making it to DII last season.

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137913.14 in reply to 137913.12
Date: 3/28/2010 10:31:37 AM
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As long as he is well trained*, he will be worth at least as much (and probably more) at 20-21yr as he's worth now, so I don't think he is going to lose any money by keeping him for as long as he can afford the salary.

The advantage of keeping him is that if his team is making steady progress up the divisions and he can make it into D.II-III where he is in a better position to train for a long time, he will have a player he can build his team around for the NBBA, which is the ultimate goal.

A well trained all-star potential player will probably cap out at 60k+ with the salary changes: that is still unaffordable if he doesn't keep promoting, and it's also not high enough to be a star player as he approaches the NBBA. If he doesn't need the 2-3mil right now to promote out of D.V and D.IV (and he really probably doesn't) I don't think there is much long-term sense in selling such a good prospect.

*Can't always take this for granted.

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137913.15 in reply to 137913.14
Date: 3/28/2010 10:46:47 AM
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I guess it depends where his team is at the moment. If he is already close to making promoting then maybe he should train him, but if he isn't near promoting, selling would gaurantee him promotion.

I guess my issue with keeping him to train, is that I don't think div 3 teams (assuming he promotes in successive seasons, which may or may not be likely) can afford 100k+ salaries for a single player. I might be wrong, but at least in Australia I don't think it can be done. Maybe it's different in US div 3.

I don't think he is going to promote to the NBBA in successive seasons, which means he is going to stop being able to afford the salary at some point. Why not trade him out now for someone with even MVP potential, or Superstar potential then? You would get an easy million profit, and still have just as good a trainee.

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137913.16 in reply to 137913.15
Date: 3/28/2010 11:01:16 AM
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For his player to get to 100k salary will take about 5 seasons. By that time he can easily be in D3. In every D3 around the world it is very possible to have a 100k salary player assuming you have managed your team and arena properly.

Why not trade him out now for someone with even MVP potential, or Superstar potential then? You would get an easy million profit, and still have just as good a trainee.

If he were to trade him in for a MVP or Superstar he would have a very small profit of a maximum 1 mil with most likely worse starting skils. His trainee is perfect 6'0" and great starting skills. Your not going to find something comparable if he tries to get another US trainee (To match the Merchandizing revenue he would lose by getting a foreigner).

I don't think he is going to promote to the NBBA in successive seasons, which means he is going to stop being able to afford the salary at some point.

It will take well over 6 seasons for the salary to hit a level of unreasonable. It would be much better to stop training a player by choice than be forced to by a cap when you need that player to become better still.


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137913.17 in reply to 137913.16
Date: 3/28/2010 11:08:36 AM
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"In every D3 around the world it is very possible to have a 100k salary player assuming you have managed your team and arena properly."

That's basically what our arguments are revolving around. You seem to think 100k is affordable, and since you are in the US you would know best about div 3 teams in the US. I was just coming from an Australian point of view, I don't think 100k is affordable in Australian div 3. Maybe if it was your only player, but you are bound to have 10-12 players, and I don't think an Australian div 3 team could afford that.

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137913.18 in reply to 137913.17
Date: 3/28/2010 11:18:51 AM
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There is no difference between the economics of a DIII Australian team and a US one except we most likely have been playing longer. Your teams have the benefit of being able to move up leagues easier making it easier for you to afford player salaries.


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137913.19 in reply to 137913.17
Date: 3/28/2010 11:19:31 AM
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Well.. the player that he mentioned is a SG so it's impossible for him to have a 100k salary at the age of 21. There are only a few Centers that accomplish it so no way. I think that a 100k player for a division III team is not affordable. It's better for him to have 3 or 4 with 30k than one with 100k because it makes your team Balanced.
I think that your fine with each opinion you choose. If you want to train him for the u-21 or even the National Team I think it's better for you to keep training the HOF player because of the cap and all. But if you sold him right now you could get some money and you could buy 3 or 4 players that would make your team balanced.

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137913.20 in reply to 137913.18
Date: 3/28/2010 11:33:25 AM
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Can you show me an American Div 3 team with a player with a salary over 100k?
Can you show me an Australian Div 3 team with a player with a salary over 100k?
Can you show me any Div 3 team in the world with a player with a salary over 100k?

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137913.21 in reply to 137913.20
Date: 3/28/2010 11:52:00 AM
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A D.IV team with a 117k player: http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/23949/players.aspx

Obviously not sustainable long-term, but he probably has the cash reserves to make it back into III. Whether or not that roster is sustainable in III if the salary increases again this season is a different question.

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