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The best reason is "you are willing a certain sum for this player, pay it".

Let me focus on the only one line that defines an answer here.

There is a reason why it is call bidding and why it is run as it is when each team may bid several times to get the lowest price he can and below the maximum he wanted to bid for that player.
Your answer is just another (bad) workaround (and again not exactly that).

There is no reason not to improve it.
At least none that had been raised here.


And now to the other lines...

Yes, one can search the entire BB (or the entire web for other matters), but this is also a bad workaround instead of giving a simple answer to a "hot" question / suggestion raised here.
What this kind of answer will cause is that no one will come with his suggestions.
Each one has different point-of-view and this forum was defined exactly for that - to use this power of big comunnity for improving the game.

Suggestions are wheels in the direction for improvements.

I think it's always important to think of details so that you can imagine how complicated it's for implementation. And also not to be some important aspect overlooked or designed in different way you liked.
I didn't understand your word game. For me suggestion forum is about discussion of possible requirements.

I think automatic bids should be executed without any delays. If actual is price for example $ 2M and there are 2 automatic bids about $ 4M, has losing time in bidwar of other users any sense?

Maybe there should be limit how many automatic bids on different players can place one team at once.

And one explanation why I support this suggestion. If you want to be really successfull in this game, what finally happened to me, you are probably addicted to the game and everything in your live changes so that you can do your "job" in BB. Since I realized it few weeks ago I have been thinking of leaving the game. Because team like mine is interested in very few particular top players at the game and I was able to set alarm clock to deap night, cancel important meeting in job, cancel date with my girlfriend and I was able to do many other weird actions just to be able to be online to fight in bidwar (or buy without bidwar) for player I wanted to add to my roster or to check everything is going according to plan in transfers of our national players/prospects if buyer is not online according to previous agreement and call him or quickly find alternative buyer if there is something wrong. With this or similar suggestion such a troubles would be over.

Finally I think this feature would rise the prices on market. And also there would be less space for speculative bought because of lucky low transfer prices.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 10/20/2011 9:44:45 AM

First I need to correct you and give the honor to the one who brang this suggestion - Ralph54.

1) There are not much players that each user may want to buy.
When you are not offering the ability to set an auto-bid you give the one who can wake at awkward time (or from different time zone) a levarage.
It is not due to a better knowledge or due to better BB managing.

2) As I wrote to "rwystyrc" in the solution suggested for the case he had raised, an online player will still have the advantage as the first to bid, but it will NOT eliminate those who just can wake at that time.
I guess that it makes a lot of users frustrated not being able to buy a player due to reasons that are just not related of BB managing.

First let me say that I agree that all aspects needs to be discussed here, but first there is need to be a discussion regarding the original suggestion.
I had an impression that you are attacking the suggestion and finding it bad and not realy discussing what should be handled in order of making this good suggestion.
I guess I had a wrong impression.

I think automatic bids should be executed without any delays. If actual is price for example $ 2M and there are 2 automatic bids about $ 4M, has losing time in bidwar of other users any sense?

You are "half-right" :).
I didn't define it thoroughly.

The automatic bids are needed to be executed first (here is were you are definately right), but up until the highest auto-bid of each user.
Then the online users will have the first one and an half minutes to put new bids (and a small advantage for being online), and in case there was none the next auto-bid will take place.

Again, the order of the aut-bids will be upon setting time of the auto-bid.
Meaning that in case there are only two auto-bids with the same value, each will raise it by the minimum value in the following order - first, second, first, second, first and so on.
Of course this is only to make the auto-bid more "fair" but there is no need to waste time on this auto-bids and they will be executed immediately one after the other (you can say that they are kind-of executed "offline").

Last, I totaly can relate to the last paragraphs, although I am still not that deep in the game, as I've only started playing about two seasons ago and need to bulid my team from scratch...

Last edited by Pini פיני at 10/20/2011 10:18:28 AM

Then the online users will have the first one and an half minutes to put new bids (and a small advantage for being online), and in case there was none the next auto-bid will take place.

I think this is almost impossible to implement if we consider which way works on BB features based on particular time. I think only feasible way is execute auto-bids after each bid.

I can imagine another restriction of setting auto-bid. Once you set auto-bid on player, you can't neither rise auto-bid nor place user bid even if the price goes over your initial auto-bid. This way managers have to really thing of amount of auto-bid or prefer being online on usual bidwar.

Dont forget that the full amount of any auto-bid has to be charged on the bidders account instantly, to avoid him going broke by spending money he doesnt have.

Yes you are right.
This is one of the things he will need to consider at the automatic biddings, but it is not a blocker for the feature.

You can also maybe want to add a feature that will allow him to bid several players and automaticly cancel a bid whenever another bid is being executed.
Meaning that in case a player want to buy one of two players, but only one of them, and he suceeded wining one of them, then the other auto-bid he sets is deleted.
This also raises questions (what to do if the other had already been bidded, for example), but it doesn't mean that it cannot be added as well.

No, youi cannot cancel any bids in the bb economy without leading for the system to collapse.

Actually, even with auto-bidding, there cannot be more than one auto-bid on any player if you think it through, because one of the auto-bids will automatically run onto his threshold once another auto-bid is in play. In the end, auto-bidding might not change anything at all in your favour ... still the one beeing up late might make the last move.

It´s just an attempt to lowball instead of bidding your real bet upfront in my view.

I'm not sure I understood what you wrote, but here is my opinion.

1) I don't agree regarding that it cannot be executed on BB engine.
It is very easy to implement and due to the fact that it is executed "behind the scene" it is even easier to implement it.

2) You can edit your auto-bid and of course you can put an online bid, even if you used the auto-bid system.
I don't understand the restriction / limitation you are speaking about.

On any player, there might not be more than one auto bid because ...

... once another auto-bid comes in, the two will cancel each other out till only one (the higher) reamains active.

-> So with the deadline approaching, there will be a bid-war between 2 or 3 online users and the once active autobid. Either the real users get tired soon, or they reach the threshhold of the autobid rather quick, in which case the auto bid drops out and is of no help to the user.

You shouldn´t be able to lower your auto bid to anything lower than the current bid, because every buck placed on a player can be spent by the seller at the very moment it´s placed.

So if you have multiple auto-bids out there, because of the first point in this thread all of them need to be valid "current" bids, so you cannot void them once any other get´s through.

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 10/20/2011 10:58:29 AM

1) Again, as I wrote, this is an additional feature to the one disscused in this thread, and it's needed to be discussed appropriately, and possibly in a different thread.
As such, I didn't realy worked all the details for it.

Anyhow...

What I've wrote to this side feature was:
2) That an auto-bid can be deleted.
I didn't said that a bid (auto-bid or a regular one) that as been "bidded" could be canceled.
I even pointed out that this may be a case that is needed to be handled.

3) A solution to that may be to allow setting a single bid [not to be mistaken by the option to define multiple auto-bids].
Meaning that in case that a user defines two auto-bids, and one of his auto-bids had been raised/set, the others will not be set until his beed will be over-bid by a different user.
This will not cancel his bid, but will just not use it.

Example - two auto-bids up to 300K were set by user-A.
User-A gets the automatioc opportunity to set a bid (for player-a) of 30K (current bid) + 2% (or what the limit is).
He (automatically sets it).

Now player-b is also in a bid and its user-A turn to set a bid.
We will not get the opportunity to bid as he already has a "live" bid "under his name".

Now player-a had got bid from someone else.
User-A, when its "auto-turn" will come could now raise is new bid.

It´s just an attempt to lowball instead of bidding your real bet upfront in my view.

4) Again, the goal in a bid, by definition, is to get the best bid you can under your own limitations.
Definately putting the highest bid you thought worth it doen't work as such.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 10/20/2011 11:09:39 AM