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From: strilfe

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204214.13 in reply to 204214.12
Date: 12/13/2011 10:35:14 AM
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I'm your number 100 ball!!!

You did it, you finally did it!!!!

welcome to the 100 ball club, now you are one of us... Any change? anything at all? No. Same here, =P

From: IKnowZip

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204214.14 in reply to 204214.12
Date: 12/13/2011 1:23:40 PM
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I've only got one data point for this conversation, but I have a SG that has been a pure backup player, rarely plays more than 48, and is proficient GS and strong stamina. Just recently he's starting in scrimmages, and I'm going to see how that affects him.

From: Tangosz

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204214.15 in reply to 204214.11
Date: 12/13/2011 1:55:58 PM
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I don't believe the stamina and sweet spot GS hypothesis.

I have two players with 2 stamina, one who plays near 70 minutes per week and is often in 8 or 9 GS. The other typically gets fewer minutes and is up and down in terms of stamina.

Then my other two trainees who get similar ~70 min per week have 5 stamina and aren't in any better gameshapes over time.

I personally think there's just a lot of randomness, and we users tend to come up with ideas about what influences it (I myself have too), but I would bet that the most important variable is simply total minutes per week.

From: Stauder

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204214.16 in reply to 204214.15
Date: 12/14/2011 12:44:06 AM
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I personally think there is a hidden attribute. I fully believe my player, Kyle Noble, is "allergic" to game shape. I am a believer that the minutes from a 3 week span determine game shape fully, but I also believe there is a hidden factor that some players are just more apt to be in bad game shape. This is true in real life...it's not like Shaq could play himself into shape the last half of his career, right?

The reason why I use Noble as an example....I give the generally acceptable amount of minutes every single week and I have only gotten him to 9GS once or twice the last 2 seasons or so. I even trained GS last season and he would stay at 8GS.

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204214.18 in reply to 204214.16
Date: 12/14/2011 1:18:03 AM
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Anecdotal evidence, like pretty much every example stated in this thread, can be used to argue any idea relating to game shape. The only robust study I've seen of game shape was performed by our resident data guru Josef Ka. (160760.2) Fairly conclusive evidence that there is some randomness to game shape.

Maybe after Wozz is done figuring out training speeds, he'll tackle the black hole that is game shape. Or even better, he and Josef Ka could team up....


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204214.19 in reply to 204214.18
Date: 12/14/2011 4:20:57 PM
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Sorry I haven't read the whole thread, but I thought stamina had to be trained, whereas game shape was based on playing time, on a bell curve. I bought 4 new players a couple weeks ago, all in poor condition, but I've gotten their minutes right and I've trained stamina and they're beginning to approach respectabiltiy.

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Date: 12/14/2011 4:43:33 PM
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Stamina has to be trained, correct.

Gameshape can be done both ways. Obviously the smart way to keep high gameshape is to manage minutes properly but you can use your weekly training on gameshape as well.

I'm of the opinion that you should never waste training time on gameshape but I do know some owners that have trained it before important playoff games.

From: Ashurri
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204214.21 in reply to 204214.20
Date: 12/16/2011 6:59:44 AM
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(10821450)Emil played 37 mins last week. He's proficient today's update. The week before that he played 45 mins. He turned proficient at the next update. Two weeks of the number below what people thought was the minimum what a player should get. I just leave this data here for people to think about.

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