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207417.11 in reply to 207417.7
Date: 1/26/2012 12:16:30 PM
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So your first argument cannot be correct.

No, my first comment (not an argument) is correct.

My second comment was pretty bad because I did not make clear to what exactly I was referring to. The effect I meant is the rival effect. There is no negative impact in acquiring a rival's player when compared to acquiring the player of some other team.

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Date: 1/26/2012 5:38:58 PM
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So your first argument cannot be correct.

No, my first comment (not an argument) is correct.

My second comment was pretty bad because I did not make clear to what exactly I was referring to. The effect I meant is the rival effect. There is no negative impact in acquiring a rival's player when compared to acquiring the player of some other team.
Turn facts it as much as you like - a player who is part of the club (equal a drafted player) will always get more attention from his fans, than a player with the same skills, that played for the club the same amount of time.

A promissing potential straight out of the draft will get more attention comparing to one with a current better skill.

This attention is good, if that player is getting minutes and evolving, and bad if he is being thrown away or not used.

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207417.13 in reply to 207417.12
Date: 1/26/2012 7:38:25 PM
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'Greg Oden Law' - love the name

I get what Pini is saying and i think that probably 95% of what he is suggesting is currently implemented.

If you draft a player and keep him and train hima nd play him, you get more merchandise $$$ HOWVER, im not sure that this affects whether more fans will come and attend games. It may affect this in a roudnabout manner, such as better Fan Survey = more fans attending games.
But i dont think it is currently implemented in a 'you played your draftee the previous game therefore more fans attend the next game' implementation.

What i would suggest though, is that this level of merchandise benefit be increased to be something more substantial. Ive got 3 players on my roster who i drafted and ive had for 5+ seasons now, one is a starter, two bench guys who play most games. Yet my merchandise level is only about $5k per week above the league average, which i reckon is poor and it should be more.



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207417.15 in reply to 207417.12
Date: 1/27/2012 12:36:26 AM
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Turn facts it as much as you like

What are you referring to? I told you what is known of the current algorithms, I am not arguing for or against your suggestion.

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Date: 1/27/2012 1:38:45 AM
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Interesting! Thanks for that comparative info.

So looking at it now, im about $4k above the league average, with the 3 draftee's on my roster. ( I also have another guy on my roster whom i was given when i first started playing, 7 season ago - but lets leave him out of the equation)

$4k is about 13% of the current leage average. which.. i dunno. seems low to me and in terms of this thread, it doesn't really give much incentive to train a drafted player, which is the OP's main idea.
But we are in different league levels. If i promote this year, it will be interesting to see how much it increases by and as a percentage of league average.

I guess it just seems like there is a feature called 'merchandising' and players do all this hard work in order to receive benefit for it, but really is the benefit that great?
im happy though that you are getting a higher percentage and it means more for you. :)

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207417.17 in reply to 207417.13
Date: 1/27/2012 3:38:28 AM
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First, I think that it should both - attendance and merchandise, but it is not really important - money is money...

One point you've missed - the level (skill and potential) should also be part of the formula, as fans will not be exited to see just any draft player playing, and as that may cause users to invest more at the draft (which is a main feature in BB-managing).

One last thing - like other affects on this game (like training) - the affect is expected to be lower as the draft player becomes veteran.
A team w/o a draft player will not get this extra X$.
A team with a draft player from current draft will get those X$. [Two players means more $... etc.]
A team with a draft player from previous draft (1 season ago) will get less than those X$.

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Date: 1/27/2012 4:01:32 AM
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Doesn't 10K or even 20K sounds very few (comparing to the total income of a team) for having so much drafted players you are using?
For me it sounds just that.

And again, I want to point out again that I will also expect that the income from the same drafted player will get lower as the time passes.

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Date: 1/27/2012 4:19:12 AM
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isn't it pretty much for unproven theorys? I mean i really doubt that Shaquill O'neal(LA), nowitzky etc are unpopular just ebcause they ain't drafted or would be more popular, when they would be drafted. Or that Jones or Beaubois bring in lot of fans, cause they are drafted by Dallas?

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Date: 1/27/2012 4:29:37 AM
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isn't it pretty much for unproven theorys? I mean i really doubt that Shaquill O'neal(LA), nowitzky etc are unpopular just ebcause they ain't drafted or would be more popular, when they would be drafted. Or that Jones or Beaubois bring in lot of fans, cause they are drafted by Dallas?

Do I need to explain the meaning of "More" and "Less" words?
A good player will cause fans to come, due to the success he brings.
But, a player who grew at the club (or as drafted) will bring much more fans than a player with the same skills.

When Greg Oden signed his contract there had been much more hype around his team, than if a similar player would have joined from another team.

It is a fact that fan (and human being in general) will fill much more close to someone that he has connection with.
A player that you hated (because he played at another team and even more if he played at your most hated rival) will never get the same fans' response like a player who came from with in the club.

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Date: 1/27/2012 4:39:58 AM
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When Greg Oden signed his contract there had been much more hype around his team, than if a similar player would have joined from another team.


since he was considered as good(since you use that as argument you properly know what that means), but when they for example would traded him for durant and a second rounder, would that mean they don't like durant the same way?

When Greg Oden signed his contract there had been much more hype around his team, than if a similar player would have joined from another team.


was there so much hype? Wouldn't there so much hype if they get a free agent? They could make a lot of extra attention, when you look for example to miami ;) But yes seeing his injury list after the draft, you can say the expectation was to high for him. So maybe they life up a hype the first 2-3 month(i believe then also the Kwame Brown hype was gone, but i really doubt that he bring up more fans in washington then in LA or memphis ...

When they come from the own youth team, i would understand your point a bit ... Since people follow there career for a longer period.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/27/2012 4:45:31 AM

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