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No, You are wrong. It's 55 days, it's simply calculation. To build arena we need:

[(1x Bleachers + 1,5x Lower Tier + 2,5x Courtside Seats + 4x Luxury Boxes + 5) / 250] days (rounded up to integer)

If arena is built gradually then of course we need more time, however in this case incomes in first season will be higher than mentioned in previous posts.

And 16 weeks without salary floor means 11 weeks with arena revenues only in worst case (when new team is created just before play-offs). In typical case it means 13 arena revenues. However, in these 3-5 weeks without arena revenues, new team in 1st division should have Typical Weekly Net Income = 150-200k. So if we consider all these facts it means that new team in 1st division should have more than 4M, not 3M after 16 weeks. And few wins with bots in cup should give few dollars more, and new team still can sell players and make extra money. I think even 5M is possible after 16 weeks.

an another note~ my motivation is to have domestic competition. I WANT new teams to be able to challenge me in games as quick as possible.

New teams in small nations are competive much faster than in big countries. In whole history in my country only teams created in 3rd season won 1st division. With Your knowledge and with team created in 12th season You would play in IV division in my country. Meanwhile in Your country You can play in B3 only because Japan is micronation.

No, you are wrong. Prove me that nobody had 3M...
For me is enough that this possibility exists, and it's not my problem that most of managers don't exploit this possibility.

The conclusion is
"Any other person who disagree with Wolph is just trolling, so please stop arguing and writing stupid posts. Just praise the lord and shout - MICRONATION ARE DISCRIMINATED!"

Man, once I show you that you were wrong with your conclusions and you call me "troll". The math is easy and calculator don't bite.

1st season in 2nd division in Japan (1st season in 1st division in Japan is already calculated by BBKing. The revenue is even high up to 4mln witout any trade):
Salary: 50k (after few releases from roster)
Staff: 20k (similar as in BBKing calculations)
Scouting: 10k

Arena: 131 500$ (in D2 you can easily set up maximum prices with basic arena)
Merchandise: 20k
TV: 120k?

After 1 season: (20+120-20-10)*14 + 131,5*11 (minimum league matches) - 50 * 12 ~ 2,4 mln $ + 0,3 mln for start + 0,2 mln (after 4 weeks bonus)

What about polish D5 (1st season):
Salary: 50k (after few releases from roster)
Staff: 20k (similar as in BBKing calculations)
Scouting: 10k

Arena: 60-70k
Merchandise: 15k
TV: 55k

After 1 season: (15+55-20-10)*14 + 70*11 (minimum league matches and really high income) - 50 * 12 ~ 80 k + 0,3 mln for start + 0,2 mln (after 4 weeks bonus)

The calculations are quit good if both teams don;t play PO. Do you see the difference now? If you still have problems, please tell me who is harder to beat:
Stunners (almost no transfers this season, but still play in PO in JBBL) or Odlewnictwo (DIII champion)/SFKrawężniki Elbląg (another DIII champion)?

Last edited by Pewu at 8/20/2012 9:11:34 AM

Afaik it's probably your 1000th topic about discrimination of micro nations, so it's funny if you talk about whining.
Unfortunatelly math never lies. I always thought that math is the same in every country. Now I know that I was wrong.

man, i don't get this thread.

BB King explained the financial aspects by using very realistic calculation. other counter arguments are taken to the extreme(merchandise, fan's attendace,etc)

also, Wolph, please take into account the lack of support for your theory whine about something else, such as lack of national players on the div I rosters, or small signing bonuses for developing BB countries.

long term the benefits of playing in a micro-nation super-seed the disadvantages. i played in Romania div I in the second season in my country and didn't know about Buzzerbeaters best. sadly i quit because ratings and skills were low in all BB and the game was less appealing

lack of knowledge of the game will make you waste money or potential to make money. and those things will be adverted if you truly want to play and succeed.

i think BB-staff want to attract new users and commit a lot of resources to make this game a pleasant experience, but they cannot guarantee success to everyone. and regarding discrimination. only in BB Best, U21 and NT you compete with other countries.

I know the message gets lost but the problem is still real. It is always better if the first experience is a winning one and that can best be served by starting in the lowest division in the country. One of the problems with micronations is that there is a huge salary gap between the top division and the others. In India, our top salaries are about 800k while a Div. II salary may be 100k with an appropriate arena. It rapidly discourages people.