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225490.11 in reply to 225490.10
Date: 8/27/2012 8:29:20 AM
TrenseRI
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I agree with WallyOop, passing and handling of the guards have a big role here. It's not all that is needed but they should be able to pass against the opponents outside defense.
Manon's explanation with matchups doesn't really work (it's not coded that way). Hrudey may be onto something though, there may be some tweaks needed.

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225490.12 in reply to 225490.11
Date: 8/28/2012 10:29:00 AM
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I would like to know more on how Inside Isolation works,it's clear to me that it not work like it said in the manual.

The think that i hate here is that Outside Isolation DOES work as it is said in the manual...damit! the diffrence with the is so annoying as it should be almost the same but it's sure not.

Last edited by Doctor J at 8/28/2012 10:29:20 AM

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225490.14 in reply to 225490.13
Date: 8/28/2012 2:05:37 PM
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The PG that took so many shots was the worst shooter both inside and outside according to the owner. So it seems strange that player is seen as the one who should take the most shots. I sure would love more info on how the one that takes the shots is selected.


Except that, of course, nothing in the manual says that Inside Isolation means that the best inside scorer is going to take the most shots. It means they'll get the ball to him and get out of the way. If that player can not create a shot better than an opportunity he sees for a teammate, and he's got some passing skills, perhaps he passes it off and the teammate takes the shot. There definitely could be more elaboration on how this works but I imagine that most people believe that this is a "get your IS donkey low, give him the ball and he shoots" offense and it seems in practice to be more of a "get your best IS donkey the ball wherever he is at and then let him try to create his own shot or pass it off".

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225490.16 in reply to 225490.13
Date: 8/29/2012 1:13:46 AM
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This game features a strong side against a weak one. I bet there were scoring opportunities all over the court all the time for all offensive players. I don't know the specifics of the GE, of course, but I tend to believe the players are given some "free will" (experienced players perhaps more so) to read the game. Don't read too much into a single game.

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225490.17 in reply to 225490.16
Date: 8/29/2012 8:04:41 AM
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But this tactics dont stand for giving your cebter of PF to play like PG(pass or crate shoots)it should let the best IS u got to take a lot of shoots,hitting them or missing them is something else but how can it be that in Outside Isolation it works fine and all my good shooters take more shoots then my other players and in Inside Isolation i got shoots like i choose Outside Isolation?

My good JS took A LOT more shoots then my good IS and they missed almost all of them...i think there might be a bug that couse the Inside Isolation tatic to act as Outside Isolation in a way that the best JS take most of the shoots BUT he take them inside near the basket insteed of away from it...that what happend to me but it was only 1 game,i will play again inside in my next game and watch this tactic...if it countinue then it has a bug or the programers shpuld at least change the manual and explain more on how it work.

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225490.18 in reply to 225490.17
Date: 8/29/2012 8:33:15 AM
TrenseRI
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Outside and inside isolations are different due to the nature of the game. Having a lot of outside shots is not that hard, but their percentage is lower by default. Getting the ball inside is much harder, but once it's there, the percentage is higher. It's a tradeoff, and your players' skills should be adapted to that.

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225490.19 in reply to 225490.18
Date: 8/29/2012 5:29:22 PM
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I agree with you but again the diffrance in the shoot taking was much much higher then it should have been.

It cant be that in out and in i wont see a any change...or worse a change for more outside players shoots when i play inside.

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225490.20 in reply to 225490.19
Date: 8/30/2012 6:42:06 AM
TrenseRI
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You can't give that opinion after looking at just one or a couple of games. To really be able to give a good opinion about a tactic, a large number of games needs to be looked at.

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225490.21 in reply to 225490.20
Date: 8/30/2012 9:38:07 AM
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I know i write in this post that i need to look at it some more as it sucked so bad only in that one game...look at my past writing in this post (:

BUT i will check it closly in this season...and now i got another good IS man so my check will be a lot more effective.