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I was just about to say the same thing as E.B.W. Secondaries make a player more cost-efficient and also make a good player great; however, without adequate primaries, the player will not be able to hold his own. Also, if a secondary is bad enough to start out with, it may not be worth fixing. Especially in the case of IS, the difference between 1 to 4 is not very significant at all IMO; since OD trains ID as a secondary and since everyone trains OD, most guards will have decent enough ID that you really need IS of at least 6 or better for it to be considered a strength (more in higher divisions). I personally would want 8+ IS on all of my guards.

I'm not seeing things wrong am I? He is a guard. Not a small forward or big. ID, shot-blocking and Rebounding are not that important on most guards. The only thing I would advise him to train out of those four skills that you mentioned is Inside shot (which can be trained up quickly with 1v1 for forwards). You have not even played this game for a full season I don't believe, so I know you are just trying to give advice based on what you know but It's not the best to advise other managers to train their 6'0" guard in rebounding and inside D, especially when they could easily use some more OD and passing (which is crucial for guards). Not the best advice, but I suppose if he likes your idea then he can run with it and train rebounding up to legendary.

It really depends on a couple things. How long do you want to train this guy and how special do you want to make him? You could alternate od and passing and make him a really good pg. His height and build dictate he is either a pg or sg. Fixing his IS with 1v1 forwards really isn't an option. At his age and height, IS will pop in about six weeks. To get 2 pops in IS you would add another 3-4 pops in handling. That gets expensive and chews up his cap space at those levels.

First thing to look at is his potential. As a Perr All Star, he has pretty decent potential but he is young enough you can get creative with his build and still cap him. You won't want to add a lot of JR. Sensational at most. You won't want to add more than tremendous passing. Think really well balanced combo guard to maximize his potential. Don't train rebounding or SB. Takes too long and once again tears into his cap.

If you can afford to, I would train two pops in inside shot at one position center then switch to his guard skills for the rest of his career. On three game weeks alternate pressure and passing until od is wondrous and passing tremendous. On two games weeks train JS forwards. You will get another couple pops in IS that way. Take his JS to wondrous. Then finish him off with some JR training at sg. You will need a whole season to do this but take him to sensational JR. He should pop one more time in JS finishing at marvelous. That should just about cap him out. Might squeak out another od pop.

You don't have to be so condescending about it. All I'm saying is that he should try to raise those secondaries a few levels. Am I saying he should train them up to legendary? No. And just because I haven't been playing that long doesn't mean anything. Lots of other experienced managers say it too. Secondaries are important.

I apologize If I am coming across as condescending, I am simply trying to make a point. I must disagree again with you though. Like Turtle stated, I also don't believe there is that much of a difference between awful rebounding and atrocious rebounding. Also referring to his post, ID will get a few pops simply by him training OD, so there is no reason to train it. I brought up your experience in the game because I am trying to sympathize with you, because I was also in your spot quite a few seasons ago. Other experienced managers may say secondaries are important, and I also agree that they are important, however, not many experienced managers will advise anyone to train their 6'0" guard to "raise those secondaries a few levels" in rebounding and shot blocking and ID, because when training a 6'0" player in those skills, you pretty much have to play your short player at PF or Center in order to train him up in those positions and in order for him to get 2-3 pops in any of those categories, it would take 5+ weeks, which could be used on other things. The main place where secondaries are important are when dealing with monster bigs and SFs IMO. If that player happens to get a pop in rebounding due to cross training, then that is great, but never waste time training rebounding on a 6'0" guard when there is hardly a difference between atrocious and pitiful.

I realize I am butting in on a discussion between the two of you but keep the potential of the player in mind. He has all the time in the world to cap this guy. IS is free for salary and counts very little towards the cap. He will appreciate his guard a lot more if he can get the IS to average or respectable. I do agree the ID, SB and Reb are lost causes at this point but he can make this guy an offensive weapon that would be effective all the way to D2.

Yes and I agree with you completely. Thats why i mentioned training 1v1 for forwards because it can get him those 3-4 pops while also training the guard skills that he needs. I was just arguing with him about the other three, because like you say, those skills dont matter.

So, my advice to you is to download the Training Simulator: (229484.1).

Use it to figure out what you want your player to look like, how much time you're willing to spend training that player, what that training will do to your other trainees. Weigh the costs/benefits. Think about whether or not you'll be able to win while training. Think about whether you'll be able to pay salaries and when salaries will force you to promote or sell. Do what's gonna be good for your team.

You're in D.IV. I would say you want prolific-sensational OD for a starting guard if you want a shot at promotion. Offensive skills and secondaries are the gravy after OD as far as I'm concerned.