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257267.11 in reply to 257267.7
Date: 4/8/2014 2:25:49 PM
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Some of us just want to load training histories and league salaries and use the salary estimation tool. Sorry for not wanting to spend ages doing manual calculations when buzzer-manager does it instantly :/

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257267.12 in reply to 257267.11
Date: 4/8/2014 7:51:47 PM
Talentinho
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I do not dismiss the fact that they can be useful. However, my point remains valid. It is just like real life, you can succeed by hard work. If you take shortcuts, it might benefit you in the short run, but a better understanding and not just relying on tools will improve your skills. Before you start pouting again, I will reiterate that it can help, but that you probably won't get the biggest picture. It seems many people use a specific program and work from there, thus having multiple people which are using the exact same strategy, making their actions predictable and giving an advantage to others that can improve the results from such programs.

The above is all based on the belief that the programs and facts they produce are mostly correct, which they probably are, but will never be fully proven. Hence my point.

Last edited by 3point king at 4/8/2014 8:00:18 PM

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257267.14 in reply to 257267.12
Date: 4/9/2014 12:33:26 AM
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Ok. I'm cutting corners by using a tool that calculates league salaries instead of doing all the calculations myself, or even building my own algorithm (but god forbid I share it with those other lazy freeloaders!)

Actually forget that, I can't use a calculator, because it does calculations for me (so I'm clearly not working hard). I'll get a pen and paper... or do I have to do them all in my head in order to display real grit?

I'm not going to write Zen and the Art of BuzzerBeater Maintenance here. I just don't want to waste time doing math when a free-to-use program does it for me.

I don't really get your argument. Nobody's saying that helper programs are a be all and end all. They're called "helper" programs for crying out loud. Just as a program won't paint the full picture, neither will you unless you learn a bit about the game - something which, for a newer manager, "helper" programs do a great job assisting with. As for me, I just want it to do my math so I can spy on my rivals' finances. :p

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257267.15 in reply to 257267.14
Date: 4/9/2014 5:45:05 AM
Headless Thompson Gunners
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Amen!

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257267.16 in reply to 257267.14
Date: 4/9/2014 6:26:13 AM
Talentinho
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You are taking things out of proportion and missing the point that I'm trying to make. If you feel attacked, by my post, flag me, but don't try to make this into a flaming contest. That was not my intent, I think Perpete and a few others do understand my point, if you don't: fine, just drop it.

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257267.17 in reply to 257267.16
Date: 4/9/2014 8:46:38 AM
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I'm not trying to cause any crap I'm just saying I saw where you're going with it too and I think your point is stupid, but it's your point, it's your belief and I don't feel the need to argue with you or to compel my beliefs upon you.

The helper program makes things easier for me in terms of saving time. Two sometimes three clicks of the mouse and I can see what offenses strategy, defensive strategy, the other team has used every game and their average ratings. to do that by hand then I have to open up a box score for every single one of their games plus do the math that's not very time effective for me I got jobs kids wife too much to do all this when I could spend 30 seconds with buzzer manager to do it

I think it's more fun to do it on my own. But it's a time constraint thing.

P.s. Siri is not the best translator so I apologize in advance for the speak to text

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257267.18 in reply to 257267.16
Date: 4/9/2014 11:39:11 AM
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I know what point you're trying to make. It just doesn't make any sense. Especially since you were responding to me, and I explicitly said I only use the helper programs for doing the math. So that left me befuddled by why you'd bring up "hard work" or whatever. I just think your argument's bad man no need to flag anyone or lose sleep over it.

Last edited by 五毛党 at 4/9/2014 11:41:21 AM

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257267.19 in reply to 257267.18
Date: 4/9/2014 5:18:49 PM
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You could have used some better examples than calculators though hehe.
Maybe it's the Dutch, but honestly the society would be so much better off if calculators would be banned from schools and universities ;). Soo many people get fooled in soo many situations because they never learned proper mental math, sadly.

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257267.20 in reply to 257267.19
Date: 4/9/2014 8:55:20 PM
Headless Thompson Gunners
Naismith
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Well amen to that too!

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257267.21 in reply to 257267.20
Date: 4/14/2014 2:51:58 PM
PAF.bg
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Actually you can use one of the programs with Utopia:

coachParrot (http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/coachparrot) by Josef Ka (41696)

Enjoy!

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