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From: johnfox

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Date: 5/10/2021 11:46:25 AM
Brianza Panthers
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i don't trust in selling players after 1 or 2 season

i train players but at the moment training planning is scheduled for 4-5 season

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Date: 5/10/2021 12:07:26 PM
Tampines Fusion
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I totally understand where you're coming from, but I always trained for a profit, it didn't matter if I was training Guards, Forwards or Centers. Is it not possible to do the same today in BB?

It is still possible today to a certain degree. But you are a new team. It's not the best way if you want to earn money fast. Like I said, I wouldn't touch on training until I'm financially stable. Invest all your money in things which can bring instant money in first while cutting unnecessary costs, then only invest in luxuries like training. You'd not only find it easier to earn money by dumping your money into your arena first, then you'd have more money to give you a headstart in training. Just remember, there is a finite number of seats that can earn you money in your arena (estimated 21k I think?), but an infinite number of trainees to train. So it makes more sense to max out your arena as soon as possible, then focus on training, rather than doing both side by side and achieving half baked results in your first two seasons.

Start of first season (let's take the most realistic and cheap example possible) :

Potential: Superstar
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Defense: respectable
Rebounding: competent Shot Blocking: competent

End of first season prediction, with the following training:

4 weeks Inside Shot
4 weeks Inside Defense
3 weeks Shotblocking
3 weeks Rebounding

18 year old
Potential: Superstar
Inside Shot: prominent Inside Defense: prominent
Rebounding: proficient Shot Blocking: proficient

I think you're getting a little over ambitious here. Did you use any programs such as CoachParrot to calculate that? Because at a first glance, that looks like something I get with my level 7 trainer, which would cost you 3-5m alone, unless you're paying him crazy salaries. I don't know what you mean by competent, but since you listed respectable in the other two skills, I'mma expect it to be average at least. I highly doubt you'd get 3 pops in SB with 3 weeks of SB training and 4 weeks of ID with a level 6 coach (I previously wrote level 5 because you said superior, but noticed you meant level 6, which is exceptional, not superior), unless you're very lucky with sublevels. My 19 year old player who is 224 cm tall (probably close to max height, can't exactly remember what the max height is) pops in SB once every 2 weeks with a level 7 coach tho, so it's not too unimaginable if you're using a level 7 coach. A level 7 coach might just be 3% better than a level 6 coach, but you might not even reach your target with a level 6 coach.

A 19 year old player with superstar potential with these skills could go on for I assume, around the 1Million mark right?
Take into account an MVP player and he could go for more, probably around the 1,5Million mark I assume

Correct me if I'm wrong please, this is my conclusion after analyising the market thoughtfully and the new BB paradigm regarding to training, with the addition of infraestructures

Are you sure that your market analysis is based on bid price, or listed price? Frankly speaking all I see on the TL are delusional people who list their players at a high price and no one bidding. Based on experience, I highly doubt such a player would go for 1 million.

I don't have any hard statistics to back me up, but a quick search right now reveals only 1 player (tho it's a guard) with at least 3 prominent skills and 1 proficient, and his bidding time just ended and no one bid for him when he was listed at 350k. Well, it's mid season, but frankly speaking I don't see it being much more expensive at the start of the season, especially when its a monoskilled C and the game engine being tweaked to make inside tactics less dominant. That said, you'd also probably get your 18 year old superstar for 100k or less, so it's not too bad.

Last edited by BuzzRBeater at 5/10/2021 12:22:23 PM

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309288.13 in reply to 309288.12
Date: 5/10/2021 12:18:47 PM
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You make very good points. Let me just chime in

I've done quite a great profit selling players after 1 season with lvl 5 and lvl 6 coach, you can check my transfer history and take a look at Alaric Savary, 18 french players, who came in at 56 TSP and left out at 75 TSP, how much profit did I made in 1 season just with him? 1 Million!

Now I've been trying and experimenting a lot so I haven't been doing the same formula that enabled me to earn big bucks, but I can certainly say that probably training 6 players 1v1 for 1 season can net you more profit than training 3 centers.

Now back to your point, I don't believe at all that you need to spend 3-5 million in a trainer, only if you have a 18 year old that you want to train until he's NT level and that would be around 24-25 for most NT's, 26/27/28 year old for TOP NT's.

500k on a superior (lvl 5) trainer with 20k weekly salary is more than enough and will enable to you start training for a profit right away.

I can recommend buying 3 superstar / MVP / HOF+ potential as your main trainees and 3 perenial/superstar as your other trainees, give them a full season of training and you're netting about 200-300k minimum depending on their skills, age, potential, nation I can assure you that some players can net you atleast 500k+ profit in just one season.

I'm curious about centers too, I've thought about training them but I barely see anyone doing it, if someone could tell me if it's profitable and how much that would be great.

Also your guard search, what skills did he have prominent or proficient in? Because for a guard only OD and PASSING add him real value, Driving / Passing / Jumpshot barely add any value to his market value, in my experience

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309288.14 in reply to 309288.9
Date: 5/10/2021 12:56:24 PM
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What would recommend as a starting team to maximize all the profits I can take? Cheers for the reply mate

It depends on the manager.

You are talking about "centers" and "making profit" and making numbers ... and, as far as I have read, you haven't even mentioned the word "SALARY". What more can I say?

From: sergio

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Date: 5/10/2021 12:57:39 PM
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Also just to add, @Sporting Chisinau, if you want to discover what kind of players and positions can get you more profit in 2/3 seasons, check the transfer list on player who have bids, check those 19/20 year old players and the 21 year old players so you can have a notion of what kind of prices the players can reach depending on their skills. That should give you a rough idea what is the best position and skills to train over time for profit. Hope it helped

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Date: 5/10/2021 3:45:29 PM
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Yes I'm looking at training players solely for 1-2 seasons, so in the second season I'd have at most 6-7k salary for each player which is very low and does not worry me

I'm talking about making profit because the salary part is taken care of, now my team is making about 100k each week and I want to have enough savings to get to Div 1 in a short amount of time.

Realistically I need around 10M-12M in profits so I can invest properly in the Arena, Trainers, Infraestructures, Players so I can get to DIV I and be competitive, if you can help me with your knowledge I would appreciate that

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Date: 5/10/2021 4:18:02 PM
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to get to Div 1 in a short amount of time.

get to DIV I and be competitive


Those are very different, almost opposite, goals.

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Date: 5/10/2021 7:28:51 PM
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Judging by his adversaries in his DIV I competition, with excellent economic care, great training plans he could easily be competitive in his DIV I in 5-6 seasons at most, I truly believe so

Invest heavily into the arena from the begging is what I would advise, for DIV I you should aim at minimum 14000 bleachers, and 15k/16k minimum stadium capacity so you can handle the DIV I players salaries that you need

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Date: 5/11/2021 4:53:57 AM
Tampines Fusion
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I've done quite a great profit selling players after 1 season with lvl 5 and lvl 6 coach, you can check my transfer history and take a look at Alaric Savary, 18 french players, who came in at 56 TSP and left out at 75 TSP, how much profit did I made in 1 season just with him? 1 Million!

Wow man, that's hella amazing. What did you do with him xD that is an amazing success story. How was his skills when you sold him, and I assume he would have been 19 when he was sold? Other than a superior trainer, did you have any youth trainers as well?

But I do agree with you that getting 6 trainees and going 1v1 for the whole season would be more profitable.

There are still plenty of people who train Cs (especially in my country, probably because we keep getting tall MVP/HOF draftees). But I assume people who flip players for money would rarely choose to train Cs, particularly because there is no training that pops as many skills as 1v1 forwards, and handling is height dependent. Hence it's not that easy to get a lot of pops in a short time.

Also your guard search, what skills did he have prominent or proficient in? Because for a guard only OD and PASSING add him real value, Driving / Passing / Jumpshot barely add any value to his market value, in my experience

Iirc it was 9 JS, 10 HA/DR/OD and 8 IS. But it's midseason, so it's understandable that he isn't going off for 350k, coz he'd be 20 in a few weeks time.

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Date: 5/11/2021 7:11:52 AM
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We are talking about a manager who has a 15 players roster in a league where he is the only human manager. I don't think that "excellent economic care" is an option.

From: DzigyDzi

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Date: 5/17/2021 3:18:21 AM
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Hey, as you can see from my transfer list history, I always take (with only 1 exeption) players for 1k and usualy sell them for about 1-1.5m after three seasons.

I take players who are 18 yo and I look that their JUMP SHOT, JUMP RANGE and OUTSIDE DEFENCE would be at 7 (or at least 6). And then I rotate trains between JS, JR, OD. At the end of the 3rd season those players are like 15-15-15.

U21 teams like to grab them, which increase their value as well.

Not saying that this is the best way, but that is how I am working. :)

P.S., my trainers are both at lvl6