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sorry let me clarify, i thought i did earlier... the changes were first rolled out to scrimmages, and then later were implemented for all games.... i was mistaken before when i suggested they hadn't. sorry for the confusion.

so that being said anyone have any bright ideas how to handle the conundrum?

either dont change anything and deal with issues like rebounding advantages not scalling as rebounding ratings get higher? or changing the way we do rebounding and potentially changing the competitive balance.. particularly for the higher leagues.

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Last edited by BB-Forrest at 1/7/2009 9:48:43 PM

Forrest, only to discuss, don't you think that the teams training ID, IS or rebound are a little bit stronger than teams that are use to play outside? In Italy all the championships won training "inside", in BBB all the teams have better ratings using look inside and I think all of them are training center and PG.
We discussed already in Italy about this matter and the conclusion was that training center and PG was good for immediate result but that who trains shorter players but after some seasons I think there is still a gap between tallers and shorters

every online game i have played, when it was either hattrick or world of warcraft or one off the other many games, there are always balancing issues. some have a bigger impact than others. As long as the ones that cause major problems get dealt with, I hope you will keep the changes to the game engine to a minimum. There will always be unhappy "whining" bunnies, whatever changes you make. When I look at the statistics from the games and not to the team player ratings or individual player ratings, 95% off the results (if not a higher %) make total sense. I think people should stop looking at nice words (the ratings) and use their brains and look at their statistics. So many posts in the "how did i loose this game" are easy to explain as 1+1=2. I am a total noob when it comes to basketball, but I use my brains.

I might be totally off topic here and there might be a problem with the game engine, but i bet 99% off the people are happy with this game. (most likely because it is so much better than hattrick). So why not just fix small issues, and leave the happy people happy??

i do think that outside teams have a harder time these days... like i said before, i would like to raise the outside shooting rates across the board... the question is how to do that without pissing off all those italian teams that trained inside for so long.

perhaps the best we can do is announce the change now and implement it for scrimmages for the rest of this season and then make the change next season.

note... this is not an announcement, i am only speaking for myself here.

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Last edited by BB-Forrest at 1/7/2009 9:48:58 PM

i do think that outside teams have a harder time these days... .

This can be due to multiple reasons unrelated to the game engine. The first that come to mind are the total disdain for training Jump Range (which seems to help your three-point efficiency quite a bit) and Passing (which, likewise, seems to help with not taking poor quality shots).

Of course, maybe I am totally wrong and even though the entire player population is trained as expected, but you're the guys who have all the data, so...

this is simply a presentational error..

I guess that's what we already thought it was in the quoted thread since the matchup ratings always looked fine.

About the rebouding, I think it's fine right now. BB is designed to give multiskilled players an advantage above monoskilled players afaik. If you make rebounding at higher levels even more important then I guess a C with 7 IS, 7 ID and 20 RB will be far more effective because he can earn 50% extra shots due to his rebounding, which makes his low IS less important. This is just an example of course.

i have the feeling that inside players need less skills to do their tasks than guards...

I have been looking recently ALOT for inside players, they all have IS,ID and RB and maybe a little bit stamina and maybe a little bit free throw... Noone seems to train driving, which I believe should be important as well for an inside player. (but I am a noob, and might be totally wrong).

I train myself guards, and although I am at the moment training OD, I do believe I will need to train JS, JR, DR, and HN too, to get a class act player... That means 5 skills vs 3. The guards seem to fetch a lot better prize than inside guys though... I have no clue, in the long run if I made the right choice to train guards. we will have to wait and see...

ps inside shooting players dont seem to need JS either, which would make sense to me...

Last edited by Astragoth at 1/1/2009 4:53:36 PM

i do think that outside teams have a harder time these days...

i won't say that, in nationalteams the outside focus strategies are used often and even with succes ... Sometimes you loose it, but this counts also for inside teams.

In germany the hambourgh Bulls dominate the first division, as an outside only team and they reached the semifinal of the BBB last season, also the real inside teams normally have problems to stay in the division and their are many teams who have their strength outside.

I don't know how representing your team was, but you also play succesfull outside game ;) Maybe the 1-3-1 Zone is more effective thena 2-3 to stops those teams who only play one strategie, but the 1-3-1 also have huge weaknesses.

the question is how to do that without pissing off all those italian teams that trained inside for so long.

they already pay huge salaries and early potential caps, and i am pretty sure you will piss off many other teams who arange with the actual system, which has imho a good balance betwenn outside and inside strategies.


Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/1/2009 5:27:47 PM

i would say, you need the right training ;) I see a lot players because i am part of the german scouting team, and i know that Jump Range is an unpopular training, but OD is pretty common ;)

well my team i ignored last season and somehow ended up in D3.. which i clearly dont belong.... i think i could play just about any strategy and win ;)

anyway.. it was just a feeling.. now im getting the feeling that maybe i'm wrong and outside teams are doing ok....

most of my feeling is based upon the nba tuning i did where i had to raise all the 3 point shooting to get it to match reality.. but i could have also just retuned the ratings system an accomplished something very similar....

there are a ton of parameters to fiddle with.
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Last edited by BB-Forrest at 1/7/2009 9:49:21 PM