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From: brian
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Date: 1/8/2009 12:11:12 PM
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One thing to note about the balance of scoring vs defense skills and its effect on shooting % is enthusiasm.

Increased enthusiam, IIRC from recent changes, still improves defense and rebouding, but has no effect on scoring. This would tip the balance toward defense if teams are building up high levels of enthusiasm.

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From: Mannen
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Thought i could share some information on how good it gets. Saw this guy on the transfer market some time ago. Legendary (20+) junp shot and 48.3 % from the field (at the time).

Owner:
Angels of Pwnage

Weekly salary:
$ 47 747
DMI: 116800
Age: 22
Height: 6'6" / 198 cm
Potential: allstar *
Game Shape: respectable

Jump Shot: legendary Jump Range: prominent
Outside Def.: average Handling: mediocre
Driving: proficient Passing: inept
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: inept Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: average Free Throw: pitiful ↑

Experience: awful

/Mannen
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Date: 1/10/2009 6:35:10 AM
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hmmm legendary is nice and surely a big part off the 48.3% shooting for this guy, but I would like to compare this data with a player that doesnt have such high driving, and jump range. Not to mention he has respectable inside shot, which for a guard is very rare... This guy is a very well rounded off player...

i wanted to add that I have been looking for a PF and Center. players with triple sensa or better have easily .45% shooting percentages. when they have tremendous IS it is even higher. Most off these players dont have any other skills like driving, jump shot or jump range. so maybe when i think about it, it might just be the legendary skill that pushes so high up. Because I doubt for inside minded players rebounding and inside defence dont contribute to their shooting %.

found this guy and he has a .638 shooting % guess it has a huge effect on his shooting skill. he is in a div IV team. How big an effect does it have on his shooting % that the defenses he is playing against are rubish?

Jump Shot: average Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: awful Handling: atrocious
Driving: atrocious Passing: inept
Inside Shot: phenomenal ↑ Inside Def.: proficient
Rebounding: inept Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: respectable

Experience: pitiful


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From: Kukoc

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Both of my centers shoot over 63%. You can guess my inside shot rating but it's not even near to phenomenal. JR JS and DR do not contribute in FG% for C-s in any way.

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From: Astragoth

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i beg to differ. can a bb or gm pls comment on this?

the fg% is for all the shots made right? If a player "drives" the ball towards the basket and he is a Center or PF isnt than the driving skill the most important skill whether he scores or not? Or can it never happen that an inside guy "drives" the ball towards the basket??

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Date: 1/10/2009 8:24:19 AM
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i beg to differ. can a bb or gm pls comment on this?

the fg% is for all the shots made right? If a player "drives" the ball towards the basket and he is a Center or PF isnt than the driving skill the most important skill whether he scores or not? Or can it never happen that an inside guy "drives" the ball towards the basket??

My experience is that driving has a negligible effect for big men (which makes sense, since if you're already under the basket, there's no space to drive).

I doubt that you will get any details on this from a BB, my sense is that things like that are up to us to discover (and I don't have any inside knowledge on it other than my own game experience).

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 1/10/2009 8:24:51 AM

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Date: 1/10/2009 8:28:18 AM
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ok than i will have to pay closer attention to the games i am playing. really would like to know this. you are right, a center will be more under the basket than other players.

BUT it also depends on tactics in my opinion. if you play 1-3-1 for example one off the 3 players is the PF not? And I would imagine in that case he would play further from the basket than he would normally.

The question I have than, does a C or PF never drive to the basket when he plays in one off these positions, or is it possible?

I am not trying to make a fuss about this. but there is a big difference between skills having no effect on a certain position and the shooting % or little effect. I always thought that it does have effect how little it is, if i am wrong, i would like to know...

Last edited by Astragoth at 1/10/2009 8:34:27 AM

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Date: 1/10/2009 8:33:05 AM
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ok than i will have to pay closer attention to the games i am playing. really would like to know this. you are right, a center will be more under the basket than other players.

BUT it also depends on tactics in my opinion. if you play 1-3-1 for example one off the 3 players is the PF not? And I would imagine in that case he would play further from the basket than he would normally.

The question I have than, does a C or PF never drive to the basket when he plays in one off these positions, or is it possible?

1-3-1 is a defensive tactic. It doesn't affect your offense. Along these lines, I don't think zone defenses represent literally the movement of a specific player.

There might be shades of gray in driving, as in even when he drives, we don't know whether his driving skill helps him as much as it would a guard that starts further away from the basket. But this is all speculation at this point.

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Date: 1/10/2009 8:44:37 AM
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i beg to differ. can a bb or gm pls comment on this?

the fg% is for all the shots made right? If a player "drives" the ball towards the basket and he is a Center or PF isnt than the driving skill the most important skill whether he scores or not? Or can it never happen that an inside guy "drives" the ball towards the basket??


My take on this is that it maybe correct BUT the versatility of his player is going to limit his offensive options to Look Inside and Low Post only.

If the players in question are only highly skilled in the ID/IS/RB area (and lacking HD/DR/JS) there is no way they can make the transition to SF and even at PF are likely to be caught short against a more astute tactical opponent.

In minor leagues/countries for sure the ubermonsters will run riot on any bot/weak human in most positions..

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Date: 1/10/2009 11:27:50 AM
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My experience is that driving has a negligible effect for big men (which makes sense, since if you're already under the basket, there's no space to drive).



thought that the driving skill shows how good a player can create his own shot and that you can need on all floor spots??

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Date: 1/10/2009 3:26:24 PM
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I guess that big men just teleport themselves from under one basket to under the other and back than. Never giving teammates a chance to pass them a ball somewhereelse than under the basket. Right? LOL. If big men can shoot treys (they do) they can surely drive. Waht is the exact formula in game engine for this is arguable but drives of bog men exist.

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