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8988.11 in reply to 8988.10
Date: 12/6/2007 12:52:43 AM
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Do we have blowout/mercy rules in BB? If so, then it seems pretty strange to make point differential that important. I would very much favor a head-to-head or division record or something like that as the first tie breaker.


I don't disagree with you all (I don't think point differential is the best way to do it), but I think there are probably a lot of other features I'd like to see implemented (in a new game like this) before changes/improvements in the tie breaker formula.

Steve

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8988.12 in reply to 8988.11
Date: 12/6/2007 1:47:39 AM
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I don't disagree with you all (I don't think point differential is the best way to do it), but I think there are probably a lot of other features I'd like to see implemented (in a new game like this) before changes/improvements in the tie breaker formula.

Agreed.

From: Huzzel
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8988.13 in reply to 8988.12
Date: 4/9/2008 9:33:28 AM
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1. head to head comparison is used in nearly all important basketball leagues
(NBA, olympics, Euroleague, country leagues in europe ... open end list).
Point differental is typical for soccer and maybe some other sports, but definitly not in basketball.

2. i dont know why "other managers use point differential" is a reason to use point differential in BB. Does Bb try to be as good as the others or does BB try to be better than the others.

3. head to head comparison definitly needs some more lines to program it, but this should not be the reason not to implement it.
It is not that difficult, those are only a few more lines. I believe, even I could do it, even though i havent programmed in a long time.

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8988.14 in reply to 8988.13
Date: 4/9/2008 9:56:52 AM
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Euroleague uses point difference... But in different way... They counting just those two teams both matches results, if those teams have the same win/loss differential... But if there is more then two teams with same win/loss differential, then they use all games point differential for decision what the team position is on standings.

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8988.15 in reply to 8988.14
Date: 4/9/2008 10:15:09 AM
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Euroleague uses point difference... But in different way... They counting just those two teams both matches results, if those teams have the same win/loss differential...


this is head to head comparison


But if there is more then two teams with same win/loss differential, then they use all games point differential for decision what the team position is on standings


I dont believe this, please give me a link of the rules where it is stated or give me an example when it happened.

From: ZyZla

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8988.16 in reply to 8988.15
Date: 4/9/2008 10:40:16 AM
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I know that very well... I don`t know any links and so on but just take a look to this
(http://www.euroleague.net/main/standings)

Why you think they count total points differential???

I`m basketball fan all my life as well as 80% other Lithuania population so I just know how it`s counting.

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8988.17 in reply to 8988.16
Date: 4/9/2008 10:44:50 AM
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i have also a basketball fan all my life, so this seems not to be a good argument. in those goups always the better ranke team vwon the head to head comparison (as the won the point differential)

show me a link of a group where they head to head comparison is not working.

From: Huzzel

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8988.18 in reply to 8988.16
Date: 4/9/2008 10:47:51 AM
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btw take a look in group C, at the 13 game day. U will find Rom and fenerbahce havin the same record and the team with the worse point differential ahead of the other team.

or another example from group C at the final results of the group fenerbahce is even ahead of two team wih the some record but better point differential...

Last edited by Huzzel at 4/9/2008 10:50:29 AM

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8988.19 in reply to 8988.13
Date: 4/9/2008 10:52:21 AM
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There was an esplanation given quite awhile ago by the BBs about why it's PD and not head-to-head.

If I come across it I'll post it.

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8988.20 in reply to 8988.17
Date: 4/9/2008 10:53:44 AM
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I agree that head to head comparison should be implemented into the game... But how I said only if there are two team with same records, if there are more then two that means total point differential is involved for decision which of those teams are upper... Except if one of those teams has won all matches against teams those have same records (that team would go forward doesn`t matter of total points differential, and other teams would be decided by total points differential).

Head to head is working just with two teams.

Just take a look to Top 16 game 5... 3groups have that situation...

Last edited by ZyZla at 4/9/2008 11:01:58 AM

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From: Huzzel

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8988.21 in reply to 8988.20
Date: 4/9/2008 10:57:54 AM
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Head to head is working just with two teams.


head to head is always working. take a look in group C of the eurolegue (3 teams involved), or take a look at the olympics (in the last olympics there have been also 3 teams involved) or whereever, it is always working believe me.

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