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224157.111 in reply to 224157.110
Date: 8/26/2012 7:13:12 PM
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but for some of us, it is still essentially a tool for NT/U21 communication. So, it's possible that your feeling that questions are ignored is because they were posted in subforums that few people read.



I read you whole thing and that explains a lot, truly. But, this quoted passage... kinda highlights/illustrates the vibe that myself, get at times, and that some people, possibly buckeyefan, possibly others, see all the time.

But, this is more off-topic than I really care to go, I actually am interested in the actual debate aspects of this thread, and things that are more constructive for those purposes, debates of personal philosophies and such of how forums are used, really, not relevant.

so, back to topic again:

While the "troll guy" (long name dude, sorry), may not have phrased it eloquently... I can see his point about the 5 different PGs all with almost identical builds. Again, I do not know if specifically PG play was part of our problem, but, is this something that is being looked at and examined as if a credible source, or viable problem/solution? Would having some variance there be better? The one guy has not met expectations, where other guys (presumably?) identically built have been successful, has, underlying aggression factors been a part of this? Are there certain players more aggressive in drawing fouls that are succeeding better?

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224157.113 in reply to 224157.110
Date: 8/26/2012 7:15:16 PM
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Yes this is correct I believe. Lets take me for example. I love helping people. I have said it many times in fact that I would rather help someone and see them succeed than see myself succeed. However, on the offsite, I look at it as a place to do mostly NT and U21 business. I do my journal posts and such on there as well, but the majority of my time is looking at what is being done with the NT and putting my opinions out about those things. If anyone really is wanting advice, I would honestly suggest you PM whom you want to help you, and they will more than likely provide assistance better than if you wait for them to post in your journals and other things.

Also, what people dont understand as well is that everyone on Buzzerbeater has a life outside of Buzzerbeater. There are those with full time jobs, there are those with careers, there are those in college, there are those in middle and highschool, and then there are those that dont have anything better to do so they are on all the time. Just because you may post one thing asking for help, doesnt mean any of us will actually see what you posted unless we are expecting you to ask for help and we go searching specifically for your post.


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224157.114 in reply to 224157.112
Date: 8/26/2012 7:16:25 PM
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it limits the offense in contested games: if you look at the pp100 of many games, one frequent pattern you will notice is that the key to an effective offense is having three offensive outlets (e.g. SF/PF/C all above 100 pp100). If they SF isn't contributing, where is that third contribution coming from? This is not an impossible problem to solve, but it complicates things a bit.


Could this possibly be where IS on guards comes in?

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224157.117 in reply to 224157.115
Date: 8/26/2012 7:31:45 PM
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You suggested improving FT on the aged players whom are capped....

Is that something other NT teams do a fair amount foul? Are we a lesser shooting FT team nationally? Both in attempts and percentages?

Would we benefit from *possibly* having some players who maybe do foul a bit more, if other teams have known, weaker FT shooting players? I think I read/was told somewhere, that players that foul more, also get fouled more...?

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Date: 8/26/2012 7:41:56 PM
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Yes, our problem in the past term has been that our players foul too much. [in response to your other question, right now, I think our free throw shooting is about average for an NT. We do not shoot better, we do not shoot less well.]

Now, there is an effect for which aggressive players draw more fouls, but on balance you're a bit worse off if you have aggressive players. A rough explanation is that aggressiveness causes you to make more extra fouls than it causes you to draw extra fouls. So, aggressiveness is only good if there is a big gap between the player FT and the FT of the guys that he's facing.


Would you elaborate on an estimation of "big gap" between players and what the gap (if any) we are seeing now is?

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