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I just think look at it this way - if you want to improve a player in some skill neeeded in game for example teach Gerald Wallace to shoot treys better or Adam Morrison to rebound, you would focus on that in practices. It could result in slight damge in other things as the player is trying to do it right and can be confused a bit in the beginning. In BB where we can't adjust line up to mismatch etc. this damage is represented by a need of playing the player on a different position - let say in reality the player plays at the same spot but he is concentrating on differetn things in a game - those who is learning, those in which is trained.

And teams where a lot of learning occurs tend to play worse at first - check Larry Brown's teams in their very first months.

Larry Brown isn't trying to teach a PG how to rebound like a C. He's trying to teach a PG to play like how he wants his PG to play, not to play out of position.

He is trying to teach all players how to play efficiently in the system. PG is just very important part of it. But that discussion would be off topic. Trust me, I'm va Bobcats' fan.

Yeah, +1, as they say. I'm more of a forwards trainer than a pure SF trainer but that suggestion of yours is one I can see the benefit of and agree with.

Mind you, I'd also like to see two-position OD pressure training for wingmen* and have one-position** passing training for any position.

*If I can train OS or wingmen, why the flip not OD?

**Why on earth not, you seriously telling me learning how to pass is position-dependent???

Contrary to some people say, it is upsetting for a current SF trainers to see the training become easier. Brianjames said that current SF trainers will have better players to start with, so they don't stand to lose from the proposed change: well, not if those players are 23 and maxed out (think Ismael Grubbs here).

The game can't progress (or, some would prefer change) cause it might poorly effect some players. Fair enough. I don't think it makes BB any better for the future, but that's just me.

Based on that, I think it's ironic that some of those taking this opinion are telling others to adapt.

Last edited by brian at 1/7/2009 3:45:47 PM

Hmmm, but you are suggesting penalising the players that looked at the situation and thought long-term and are only now due to be rewarded.

The game can't progress (or, some would prefer change) cause it might poorly effect some players. Fair enough. I don't think it makes BB any better for the future, but that's just me.

Based on that, I think it's ironic that some of those taking this opinion are telling others to adapt.

I'm telling people to adapt, even though I've already trained a good SF and I"m training another SG to be SF. I think my experience doing is why I'm advocating for a way to more effectively train a SF like other positions can be trained, because even though my team will be helped less relative to other teams, I just see this as the right thing to do for the game. It's not like this is such a radical departure from the way things are now. In fact, I actually see this as a rather minor change being proposed. Why all the fuss? If the developers see this little tweak in the training, by letting teams train only SF (or only wingmen or forwards) for some already existing training skills, let's just decide it should be done. I would venture to say that if this change happened, most teams that aren't reading this thread wouldn't even notice the change, and those that did would probably be like, hey! that will help me strategize with my training better and gee! that sure helps me train the way I really want to train. In less than a season, we'll all have forgotten what it was like when we couldn't train SFs by themselves for anything, with only SGs for just one skill.

I'm supporting the idea that there's a flaw in the training system that is also poorly affecting the diversity of tactical choices occurring. Teams are developing into inside teams or outside teams. Some are to the point they can play both. Tactically, BB is growing into the equivalent of a coin flip.

I believe this outweighs the costs of making changes. It's not like this change won't affect me. I have the ability to create a strong inside our outside attack, and have positioned well to develop the rare SF's we're talking about. I've spent time training players out of position and have and currently benefit from it.

I'm not telling anyone to "adapt", as should be clear from my previous post. I'm in favor of a balanced move towards a proper SF training (as I described it above).

Sorry, I should have added that my comments weren't directed at you, but it was a convenient train of thought to make them.

I subscribe to the Forrest Doctrine: we can make major changes, but we need to understand exactly the tradeoffs of each move.

Agree, the last thing I want to see is BB make major changes. Any changes are best made gradually with plenty of notification ahead of time.