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From: korsarz

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just to avoid repeating myself again and again... (178639.11)

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I understand what you are saying, for those determined to use this tactic it will actually make it easier to perform the divine trick as the player value drops. I would imagine that any tactic designed to discourage this "trick" will also, in effect, drive the purchase price of these types of players down. I still think that adding a 1 week salary plus signing salary will, overall, discourage more managers than it will encourage in the long term.

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Date: 4/13/2011 7:34:51 PM
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Well, for most problems the solution is simple...salary cap...which should be tied to week revenue...

Or in numbers...this week my total revenue is 424k, and my player salaries are 261k, so with salary cap of 424k i can buy player only up to 163k salary...
We cold put staff salaries also in the equation...and those are 59k plus 261k from players which comes to 320k total and that leaves me with 104k space for purchasing new player...

So then no one would buy players that they cant afford...

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Date: 4/13/2011 9:22:56 PM
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This is such a long thread and I just found it 10 minutes ago so I fully admit I skim read a lot so what I say probably has already been covered.

The Problem
Teams make stupid and unrealistic additions of "mutant" players just for a few games and then get rid of those players.

The worst example was the B3 which was so bad they had to change the rules. But it still happens in the Cup, for relegation games and and to win championships. Is this realistic? Can you imagine your local team going out the week before the playoffs and hiring Lebron for a week? Rubbish. It is pathetic and ruins the game. We all want to win but seeing a weak team suddenly open the checkbook the week before the playoffs and suddenly have triple the wages of the rest of the league just spoils all the realism and makes the game silly. Think this doesn't happen? Just look at the ABBL this year or my division where teams have just bought a championship. Nothing against them, they have used a "clever" strategy, one that is clearly stronger than having a good team the whole season.

Is this the model we really want to promote? Tank for a couple of seasons with a pathetic roster losing almost every game but raking in the money. Then explode and win the championship. Promote and win again. Do we really want to see 75% of the teams each season tanking?

The Solution
I did read a list of 4 solutions and I think all of them could be implimented very easily.
1) Game shape. Every time a player is sold they could lose two levels of game shapes. It makes sense that if a player had to move from Alaska to Saudi Arabia and play there they wouldn't be in their best shape. I could show you some $300,000 guys who get sold once or twice every week. Once their GS is pitiful will they still get sold and be worth it to their owners? Easy.
2) Minimum contracts. Even in the NBA there is a minimum 10 day contract but that is usually for the worst players. Real players have a minumum of 1 year. I wouldn't want that as someone said it could lock people into bad deals for too long and penalise new players but perhaps a minimum of 2-4 weeks would be fine.
3) Increased Playoff Cutoff date. In the NBA it is the week after the All-Star game. After that you are fairly much stuck with your team. How is that bad? It requires planning. It would be then for the last 3 weeks of the regular season and avoid the crazy last minute instant team fixes we see every season.
4) Have a cup cutoff date. No player can play in any cup game after the 4th round unless they have been with the team for at least two weeks.

This problem sucks and really makes the game look stupid. Tank for a season (totally unrealistic). Hire some mutants for 2 weeks to win relegation. Then be mediocre of 3/4 of a season and squeek into 4th place. Spend all the money you saved to hire some mutants for 2 weeks and win the championship. Repeat.

Is this how we really want the game to look?

Last edited by yodabig at 4/13/2011 9:23:24 PM

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Date: 4/13/2011 9:28:21 PM
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I like your solutions.

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Date: 4/14/2011 12:32:45 AM
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Nice, but if they try to put that in game it would be a long time before they can fix all the bugs and make BB run smoothly...

Salary cap still looks as simpler and much better solution...

What if you got important game and a really important player gets injured in meaningless game before that...these new rules of yours would make impossible to buy a replacement before game and for player to play that game...

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Date: 4/14/2011 1:25:23 AM
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I don't like salary cap in form you suggested, I have had almost 1,3M player salaries since start of February without any sell or purchase. And I'm below -300k weekly (revenues are around 1M).

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Date: 4/14/2011 1:53:54 AM
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Yeah, i understand your concern...but what if you apply that salary cap only on keeping you from buying more players and not to cut players you have trained in your team...

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Date: 4/14/2011 1:59:51 AM
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What if you got important game and a really important player gets injured in meaningless game before that...these new rules of yours would make impossible to buy a replacement before game and for player to play that game...


Then they should just allow the free agents to be hired after the trade deadline, as I suggested before.

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Date: 4/14/2011 3:07:23 AM
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What if you got important game and a really important player gets injured in meaningless game before that...these new rules of yours would make impossible to buy a replacement before game and for player to play that game...


Welcome to the real world. Even in under 12 B grade girls they don't allow teams to just bring in a ring in for the finals no matter what injuries or important cookie selling they have. Injuries suck but they are part of real basketball. Just ask Portland.

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Date: 4/15/2011 5:04:01 AM
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No one mentioned finals, and if you have read the rules there is something that they call trade deadline, even in real basketball...but i belive that you already know about that, and that you have somehow forgotten that fact, and your comment wasn't there simply to offend me...

Let's stick to the subject...please...and try to look for the most simplest solution, because if you try to change half of the GE than we will have weeks before they can clean up all the bugs from the game, and that is even worse then the current 'monster player' problem...

Now, the trade deadline could be moved one or two weeks earlier...that is also simple and effective suggestion...

Last edited by Ray Sadomazođubrilović at 4/15/2011 6:55:56 AM

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