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191779.112 in reply to 191779.110
Date: 7/27/2011 5:58:41 PM
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i think any change that encourages a team to put players out of position for training is a poor one. it will encourage teams to be less competitive on the court and more focused on training.


I agree with this, but the cross-training was never meant to solve the "training out of position" problem (unless you thought that, say, by training ID, one could also designate a guard skill where to allocate some secondary training).

I see in this post two complaints I do not agree with: one is that the change is irrealistic, the other is that the random pops will have undesired effects on salary.

On the irrealistic charge, nothing about training is realistic, so I just don't see the point of it.

The effects on salary are vastly overmatched by the fact that for another season, salaries at the top end have fallen considerably (to the point where Elias Cardenas is almost an employable player), and this trend will presumably continue.

The real problem is that this puts some cap points outside of the trainer's control. Players will cap partly for random reasons. That's the only thing that I know I'm a little skeptical about. For all the rest we have to wait and see.


Bingo!
For me these are the problems.

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191779.114 in reply to 191779.111
Date: 7/27/2011 6:01:50 PM
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For all I know you could be right. To me it doesn't seem like they just added some extra skills to each training, more like they overhauled the system while keeping the core ideas.

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191779.115 in reply to 191779.110
Date: 7/27/2011 6:04:29 PM
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I see in this post two complaints I do not agree with: one is that the change is irrealistic, the other is that the random pops will have undesired effects on salary.


my post was kinda all over the place, wasn't trying to complain about the changes or say they would cause more out of position training.

i think the random pops are more realistic, players improve in unpredictable ways in real life, its not an exact science.

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191779.116 in reply to 191779.113
Date: 7/27/2011 6:07:04 PM
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Except part of my point is that it's silly to complain about effects on salary, when salaries have been sharply declining.


Disagree this point, no sense decline the salaries for after increase completely random for random pops.

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191779.117 in reply to 191779.116
Date: 7/27/2011 6:08:53 PM
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But they increase, randomly, for everyone, so your league income will also raise.

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191779.119 in reply to 191779.110
Date: 7/27/2011 6:12:13 PM
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i think any change that encourages a team to put players out of position for training is a poor one. it will encourage teams to be less competitive on the court and more focused on training.


I agree with this, but the cross-training was never meant to solve the "training out of position" problem (unless you thought that, say, by training ID, one could also designate a guard skill where to allocate some secondary training).

I see in this post two complaints I do not agree with: one is that the change is irrealistic, the other is that the random pops will have undesired effects on salary.

On the irrealistic charge, nothing about training is realistic, so I just don't see the point of it.

The effects on salary are vastly overmatched by the fact that for another season, salaries at the top end have fallen considerably (to the point where Elias Cardenas is almost an employable player), and this trend will presumably continue.

The real problem is that this puts some cap points outside of the trainer's control. Players will cap partly for random reasons. That's the only thing that I know I'm a little skeptical about. For all the rest we have to wait and see.

And,maybe as the most important thing,slows the training of the players in the main skills,giving a big advantage in short-mid term to the teams that actually have better players,because who wants to create a player with the same primary skills will need more time to reach them

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191779.120 in reply to 191779.117
Date: 7/27/2011 6:12:29 PM
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But they increase, randomly, for everyone, so your league income will also raise.


Boh i don't like the random in this kind of thing.

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191779.121 in reply to 191779.118
Date: 7/27/2011 6:17:45 PM
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If the numbers they are quoting are right, the magnitude of the increase is ridiculously small compared to the decline in salaries. 1 pop in Shot Blocking by random alone could well take two/three seasons... (it's not like shot blocking is *always* selected as the random skill, and even if it were, it would take 20 weeks for one pop).


if is right...
1 pop in REB for a SG that has already high salary is very "heavy", big different(for me) in a SG with 7 or 8 in REB and useless different in game engine.

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191779.122 in reply to 191779.119
Date: 7/27/2011 6:18:07 PM
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And,maybe as the most important thing,slows the training of the players in the main skills,giving a big advantage in short-mid term to the teams that actually have better players,because who wants to create a player with the same primary skills will need more time to reach them


And where is the difference between now and then? So if I got 8 pops from full season OD training before, now I will get 7. It's the same for all players, so there willl still be the same gap between better and worse players who receive the same training.

I don't know, I feel like you and the other Italian are holding onto very weak arguments just for the sake of arguing and nothing else. A lot of people proved your arguments very weak, so why bother? The change is very small, get over it.

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