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Day 19 (Tuesday 25 July 2023) : Performances by (https://www.buzzer-manager.com)

Night results
Las Vegas Silver Stars 83 - San Dominica Warriors 113
Philly Dribble 82 - Lion Rebels 93
Carolina Rebels 98 - Linndale 85
FR-S 102 - 209’s MostWanted 119
Miami Cleo 92 - BKDogs 79
The Beer Bellys 112 - Super Sonics 124
Mindless Zombies 🧟‍♀️ 105 - LionPride 75
Żubr Białystok 0 - Tasty Tardsicles 50

Best collective performance of the evening
Points : 124 : Super Sonics
Rebounds : 61 : San Dominica Warriors
Assists : 30 : 209’s MostWanted
Steals : 8 : Linndale, 209’s MostWanted, LionPride
Block Shots : 10 : San Dominica Warriors

Personal best performances of the evening
Points : 49 : C. Holley (LionPride)
Rebounds : 21 : G. Locus (Miami Cleo)
Assists : 16 : G. Solórzano (Mindless Zombies 🧟‍♀️)
Steals : 3 : S. Rigaux (Philly Dribble), K. Brown (Lion Rebels), L. Boga (209’s MostWanted), C. Holley (LionPride)
Block Shots : 4 : P. Ngo (LionPride)

Top 5 of the evening
Point Guard : T. Rumin (209’s MostWanted) (18 Points, 6 Rebounds, 11 Assists, 1 Steals, 0 Block Shots), M. Craig (Super Sonics) (28 Points, 0 Rebounds, 12 Assists, 1 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 29
Shooting Guard : A. Varpukevicius (Miami Cleo) (34 Points, 2 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 1 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 29
Small Forward : M. Granja (San Dominica Warriors) (27 Points, 7 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 30
Power Forward : F. Hearn (Linndale) (16 Points, 20 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 0 Steals, 2 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 32
Center : D. Allen (Carolina Rebels) (32 Points, 20 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 1 Steals, 0 Block Shots), C. Holley (LionPride) (49 Points, 14 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 3 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 42

MVP of the evening
D. Allen (Carolina Rebels) (32 Points, 20 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 1 Steals, 0 Block Shots), C. Holley (LionPride) (49 Points, 14 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 3 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 42

The bad performance of the evening
J. Black (Carolina Rebels) (0 Points, 1 Rebounds, 0 Assists, 1 Steals, 1 Block Shots), : Efficiency : -5

All kinds of statistics
The player who forgot to remove his mittens : J. Coles (Mindless Zombies 🧟‍♀️) : 7 Turnovers

Player targeted by the referees : P. Matkowski (BKDogs), G. Di Cosmo (BKDogs) : 6 Personnal Fouls

The iron-man : K. Brown (Lion Rebels), I. Homs (The Beer Bellys), G. Solórzano (Mindless Zombies 🧟‍♀️), A. Guilla (Mindless Zombies 🧟‍♀️) : 48 Minutes

The shooter : C. Holley (LionPride) : 6 Three points

The best performer : T. Armstead (Lion Rebels) : Rating : 18.0

The worst performer : E. Hess (Miami Cleo) : Rating : 5.5

So... With the season almost over and me looking like a lock for relegation... What would be the wisest use for the $600K or so I'm going to get from my latest transfer?

I've been desperately trying to get my arena up to 20,000 in total capacity:

Goal / (Actual)
14450 (11,500)
5000 (2,800)
500 (500)
50 (50)

So I was originally planning on constructing another 700 or so lower tier seats, but would I be better off upgrading my arena instead? Or is that purely a cosmetic function with no real in game benefits?

I understand that in D4 my arena might not sell out if it's too large, but I've been feeling for some time now that until I complete my arena it's going to be excessively difficult to compete at D3 and above (which is why I wasn't planning on heavily investing in long term prospects outside of the 1-2 I already have)...


Last edited by SFRS13 at 7/26/2023 3:58:36 PM

I wish I had invested a lot more into my arena a long time ago. I've only been able to barely hang on in DIII for a couple seasons because of the lack of money. My vote would be to at least invest some of it into more seats. Investing in a gym or training court can be good too. My 2nd team saw a training lift after getting to a level 2 gym. Put some money there at some point too, wish I had with this team.

This team is just screwed at this point and I keep putting more money into trying to hang on when at this point I have no chance of winning a relegation series unless somehow I beat Miami and one more team to end the season. If/when I relegate, I'll stay down there until I'm able to drastically increase my arena and build a gym.

You know I actually forgot all about infrastructure lol... I've had a Level 1 training court since the beginning of this year, but I'll have to give some consideration to upgrading it and / or building a gym next...

Any thoughts on what would be more beneficial in the long run (Level 1 gym vs. Level 2 training court)?

I hear you about the whole relegation thing though... I'm not going to purposely tank games to remain in D4 but I've promoted twice to D3 (both times after losing handily in the D4 finals) and wasn't close to being ready for D3 either time...

I guess one other thought... has anyone found the ideal Trainer Level?

I've had a Level 6 (exceptional) trainer for the past 2-3 seasons and have been satisfied with my training progress on my key players (mostly 1 position training, occasionally 2) , but I've been toying with downgrading to a Level 5 (superior) as the salary on my Level 6 becomes hard to manage after 1.5 - 2 seasons (especially in D4)...

Couple of things:
- Invest in your Arena - biggest bang for your buck over the long term is bleacher seats
- Be careful with the infrastructure. I'd suggest starting with an Arena upgrade (no ongoing infrastructure costs) and the Merch store upgrade because that will offset some of the infrastructure costs.

This really is a money game, which has taken me a long time to come around to understanding. If it were me, I'd go with arena upgrade > merch store level 1 with your bleacher/lower tier additions sprinkled in between. I gave up on doing big arena seat additions and instead have moved to doing ~$100-160k installments at a time.

Honestly, with trainers, it really depends on your trainees. If you've got 1 18 yr old HOF and 2 18 yr old SS, I'd sell out for the level 6 trainer and youth trainer for two seasons, maybe a third with the regular trainer. But if you're training a couple of 19-21 yr old super star/perennial all stars who are already behind, I don't know that it's worth it. My biggest win was drafting Armstead as a well developed 19 yr old HOF and pumping him. My second biggest win was drafting Brown/Lutz in the same draft (MVP/Perennial Allstar) and selling Lutz for over $1 mil, which helped me reset while still being able to stay in Div III.

Best of luck to you!

Thanks for the input!

I've played BB one and off for a while and burned out each time trying to do things too quick, this time around I'm treating it more as the passive game that it really is.

I ended up investing a large chunk of my recent proceeds on lower tier seats (700 seats) as I figured it's easier to build sizeable chunks of bleachers in season because of the lower price point, especially when you're in a lower tier division where income isn't as high.

I still have enough for a basic arena upgrade but will likely hold for a bit as I may sell a few more players which changes the math...

On the arena upgrades - do the upgrades significantly increase attendance? Any impact on merchandise?

I don't know that they increase attendance - I think the TV/Radio station upgrades help with that...but the arena upgrades to add to your merchandise totals...the 500k arena upgrade boosts it by just under $9000/week. So long time to get a return on your investment, but immediate boost to your merch. I'm not sure how much the other upgrades boost it by.

I'll echo what Baine said.

I found that bleachers are a good investment and help your arena give you more money for cheaper startup costs. Also I just got the 500k arena design and it's giving almost 9k a week.

If I could go back I would focus on building up both of those first, the gym and training court do provide benefit but I don't think it's as valuable as investing in the things that will make you money. The idea is to start the snowball in making money and then you will be able to afford all that you want to build faster.

For trainers I don't think it's worth it to have a level 6 trainer unless you're training some NT prospect. I think having a level 4 or cheap level 5 is plenty to train a strong team as long as you are patient with the training.

Like they said, the tv and radio add to attendance(but not as much). They are great at making sure you don't have a huge attendance drop during and between seasons. Now if you're going to invest in arena upgrade, do the merchandise store. Do one at the beginning of the season and if you're lucky to have the money (a division IV to III bonus should be enough) do one at the end of the season. For the first season and half you're going to be "Why did I do this" but trust me by the mid way point of the second season with it you'll be "why did I wait so long to do this"

Trainer. No reason for you to get higher than a 5 right now. Mainly because the money you're going to have to spend to get a six or above trainer at a salary that isn't going to bankrupt you is not going to be worth it. Spending 1 to 3 mil on a trainer that will not get you anywhere close to the that kind of results before you'll end up selling him/her ain't worth it. There are a lot of things you can do with 1 to 2 million that you will have better long term benefits. You'd be better off getting an 6 plus PR - Manager for way less and see the results in increased attendance. Like Daisy said patience is the real key.

You seem to be at a good point so far. it took forever for my squad to finally stick in D. III (Season 53 ) Slowly build up your arena and merchandise store. Get a good hype man. Figure out what kind of team you want (offensive juggernault that most teams can't keep up with. defensive powerhouse that slows teams down and you grind out wins etc.) and spend the next four seasons building the core pieces and then piece here, piece there and next thing you know. You and five other terrible, wicked rivals are having multi-seasonal fun in a D III league

Ok, end of advice, I have to go and get ready. I have a date with Pio Reina tonight and you all know how much he hates being late.

Happy Ourer: “We’re here with Pio Reina outside the Linndale locker room at Shaw Memorial Gym, where Linndale prepares to do battle with Coach Stephenson and his San Dominica Warriors. Coach, first of all, how are you doing? How is the team?”

Pio Reina: “We had a really bad week. We lost a lot of ground in the playoff race. We lost two of our best interior defenders and our second best rebounder. We suffered 2 extremely disappointing losses. And still, here we are on the outside looking in with a chance to fight our way in. Happy, we’re down but we’re not out. We’re fighters, and we’re gonna fight. We’ve been here before. We’ll fight as always.”

HO: “Speaking of fights, would you care to address the rumors swirling around the team of dissension and infighting amidst the players, and also in the front office?”

PR: “No, I don’t care to, but I have to. We ---”

(voice off camera) “Sorry Coach, but I got a piece of this.”

Floyd Hearn: (walks into view) “Happy what do you want me to say? That we were happy to lose Ramon? We weren’t. That we were happy to lose Harrison? Things had to change. It’s sad, but it’s the business. Still it was on me as the team leader to step up and produce. It was on Kyle Knowles and Rod Guyton to produce. We didn’t. We got our butts handed to us. We didn’t like it. We didn’t like losing our brothers. It was a lot to handle, but we absolutely should have handled business in those games and we didn’t. Now here we are about to play our respected rivals and we know they would love nothing more than to knock us out of playoff contention. That’s not happening. Not tonight. I got a bad attitude and I’m in a worse mood. If they want to think we’re not on the same page, let them. If they want to think this team, this family isn’t united, let them. The team you watched last week, that’s not the team you’re playing tonight. Last week was tough, but despite all the losses, we come out on the other side a better team.” (Walks away, into locker room.)

HO: “Coach, that tells me a lot about how the players feel. What about the front office?”

PR: “Every coach goes through it with their general manager sooner or later. At the end of the day, I think I have it pretty good. I tell the front office what I want and what I feel we need, the front office goes and gets it as long as I’m clear about the why. Have I been happy with everything? No, but admittedly, we also picked up a couple of pretty good players when it was all over. Having said that, we’re not going to agree every time. At the end of the day, we still share the same vision.”

HO: “Coach, on to tonight’s game. What’s the plan look like?”

PR: “We’re going to rebound, defend, and take care of the basketball. We know what we want to do, but we’re also going to be smart and take what the defense gives us. Coach Stephenson’s teams don’t give you anything. The team that wins the battle of wills wins this game. We have the will, so we’re going to find a way.”

HO: “Thank you for your time, Coach, and good luck tonight.”

PR: “Thank you, Happy.”