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because the game holds more facets then just players and playing.

..and the game holds more facets then just arena building which is where this was going.

GM LoD,

for the reason im never did excel in comprehension, i do want to say i want to write a post like tyou are saying. but i cant really explain it further.

totally agree with you mate,

as you know i never got players above 50k, everyone has a plan like mine that i want to keep my players especially the trained ones, so not much selling and saving happens and it goes to arena.

so im happy to read your post, its like you took the words out of my fingers :D

to GM brianjames,

i think GM LoD just want to say, he doesnt want one aspect of the game to left alone or untouch. i think it what makes managing more challenging.

What other areas?

I'm talking about teams that we're provided cash flows in the first 4 or 5 seasons that were many times what they are today. Many of us (yes, including me) spent that money on arena's. A well managed team that started in season 5 or later would never catch a well managed team that started in the first few seasons.

Arena building was essentially an arms race that only the oldest teams could compete in. This change was needed for balance.

we have teams who made it without trading to get from fourth to first league and building a 23k arena + winning the , in 5 season without those huge income ;) This would give you not too big disadvantage, becuase double seats don't mean double income, especially at this stage.

And when you invest your money well of the beginning, you could also have stronger rooster which is hard to catch up, because you don't have to loose quality when you exchange your players in time.

Well your point of view is ok, when your community is not a big really one, i mean:

For those communities which are really big, it would be really hard for lot of teams, to build big arenas as some teams are managing to do, so it would be a clear unbalance of the game in economical terms.

And now, that is really hard to make money, I would say its a good new rule to balance the arenas.

Last edited by Marot at 6/7/2009 9:48:43 AM

isn't germany, the main arena country?

My point is that in little communities there is no problem with arenas, but in big ones its really unbalanced

Have you done your research before making that statement? Thailand has the 5th largest arena in the world and arenas of 5000 in the first division.

No offense meant to anyone, but I honestly think that having a "long term strategy" is poor management. Since season 3 there have been major changes every season, yet people still cling to this notion that outlining some rigid goal and not deviating in the least (despite the proven fact that the game parameters will change) is a good strategy. The best strategy is to advance in a balanced and versatile fashion. Mix up your tactics, win a few games, build a few seats, buy a good player, train some youngsters, Deal with changes. Repeat.

If you want to do one thing regardless of the conditions around you, that is wonderful. Do not complain about changes that you know will be coming, even if you don't know exactly what they will be.

"long term strategy" is poor management. Since season 3 there have been major changes every season, yet people still cling to this notion that outlining some rigid goal and not deviating in the least (despite the proven fact that the game parameters will change) is a good strategy. The best strategy is to advance in a balanced and versatile fashion. Mix up your tactics, win a few games, build a few seats, buy a good player, train some youngsters, Deal with changes. Repeat.

And that is the ONE way to do it? Anyone trying a different approach to get ahead are clearly oblivious to the depth of the game? Why did I choose to build arena and not build my team?

Let's see: Because I could survive for a season or two without buying players. I started building arena to get some extra income to buy me some really good players some time in the future, accidentally taking height for the coming high salaries before there was a big buzz about it. I used multiskilled players to keep my expences down. I have read almost everything on the forums since I began playing BB.

As BB-Forrest have said, they try not to limit different strategies, but you claim that one should not try anything that deviates the meridian. Deal with changes is all we do. And we all do it. Some help us, some hurt us. I understand it as people react on swift and major changes, and when they are done on short notice. The goal should be a balanced game where one could play around, tipping the scale one way or the other to see if you find a loophole to get the upper hand. Not that all teams must be balanced for the game to be. That's my view on it. I get your point with the way views and complaints are expressed from time to time, but it is a crucial element to get , and keep, the game balanced.

I understand that it is hard to foresee what changes have to be done, but if the BB's could give the community some notice on what they are currently working on would give us some time to prepare, and lift a weight on many shoulders. Doesn't have to be in detail description, a heads up on what aspect of the game is enough. So if you f.ex. plan on using 2 seasons hard earned savings on a new player you could wait it out until you know what grounds you should base your aquisation on.

And btw: I am only trying to come up with solutions to make it easier for people to accept and adapt to the changes. I am not saying that is wrong or not needed. It's the process and information under way I want more accessible, not neccecarily the final outcome to be different.

Still, one should have a better chance the longer you have been playing. The main thing to get ahead as a new team is catching the big teams when they put their guard down and start to take things for granted. As time goes by the differences will get lesser as the the big old teams also have to adjust and play on the same premises. Realism anyone? Yes, they have a head start, but how do you treasure lojalty?

dear sir,

or if i may call yo that

so you say long term strategy is poor management?

thus saying building a arena 1000 at a time for lets say 3 seasons till you reach lets say 23k is poor planning compare to suddenly build your arena to 23k if you have the money ? or what do you do, sell what you can sell at the best price possible and leave your team dont know if they hold and build a 23k capacity arena

or forget about building arena so much, lets go get some guys that will make my team the DREAM TEAM.

if the riches were made by those rich and famous now are done overnight? id like to know how they do it, do you think any company or business is ran with all short term strategy?

shouldnt you have a long term strategy that will compose of many short term strategy to attain it?

since you said already, changes always happen. so if i take sudden actions now probably by 2 or 3 seasons i might not have enough room for flexibility and next thing you know your in a quick sand.

Last edited by Shoei at 6/7/2009 12:11:32 PM

I think there is not a long or short term strategy, the problem is that:

The BB's guys when they see that some managers are going to have a very high income, they put new rules to balance the economy and the same when the income is low, they put new rules to activate the economy.

As you see there is no long or short term, they are improvising with the economy every season and in my opinion thats a big fail.

what are you talking about?

lets put it this way . . . . my long term strategy is to keep my team intact for as long as i can, meaning those players i trained will retire on my team.

with this i have to prepare my team on the economic side which means i will not have much TL trading so money will only come from home games.

with this i have to make sure my roster is competitive to not lose so much to keep attendance high how do i that . . . . . ( short term strategy ) 2nd since my only revenue is attendance and my plyaers salary will go up every year i have to or i need to increase my arena capacity in the sense that i can hold my team together, so for example if i have only 15k capacity and knwoing the only i can make money to make it to 19 or 20k how do i do it ( another short term strategy )

also if i have extra money will still invest it in advance n the arena or what . .

if your tellng me that your just playing and dont exactly have a plan how to run your team and just take it 1 day at time as come what may . . . . i applaud you if you maintain a winning team from now till the next few seasons to come.