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aaah what a discussion..wooh.. just want to say if you have patience you can train players if no spend some money and buy some big-men. Hope you all will agree with this. :)

Reading your posts is a little like dumpster diving. You have useful information in there, but the reader has to sift through all the personal attacks and "I could have done it better than you" crap. Whatever respect people have for you is based on your team's performance. I can't imagine it's based on your interpersonal skills.

Heehee!

This is farcical, and yet highly amusing, summary of the arguments that occurred in this thread.

Thanks for the lolz though!

I came in with an opinion very contrary to theirs and well since I wasn't going with the crowd they decided to gang up on me.

Lets be clear. It wasn't because you had a different opinion. It was the LOL'ing and the "Oh, you're in IV. Talk to me when you promote" type stabs. That makes people defensive.

If you suggest that the only people who listen to what I have to say are those who looked at my record, then I wouldn7t have it any other way. You are welcome to join the crowd that ignores me and instead listens to the guy with the most sugar in his words, regardless of what his actual team looks like.

I didn't suggest that people shouldn't listen to what you say. In fact I said you have useful information in your posts. I suggested the tone and way you view others aren't respectful. Why should others respect you if you mock them when they are wrong? Okay, you don't want others respect. I'm fine with that. But leave the diatribe about world affairs out of it. I doesn't have bearing on the way YOU act.

You saw the American way in this thread (I am American by the way, just live in a Japan). A pack of guys who'd been playing a few months giving advice to another guy who'd been playing a few months, pretending they had it all on hand. I came in with an opinion very contrary to theirs and well since I wasn't going with the crowd they decided to gang up on me.

When you tell someone in USA V that:

Mistake#1
Thinking that training is possilbe at your level in the game. One would hope this game is set to reward you for training your own players...that really only happens in small nations where they have the finances or established teams taht bought pre created players at around 22. Its just the way they set this game up.

You might want to be sure that you can actually, you know, back that up. And when confronted by examples of people who have had fairly decent success in USA V and IV with the approach that you are claiming is impossible, you might want to focus more on the actual facts rather than attacking the users who dare to disagree with you. For all your ranting above about the failure of the "American way", and in many respects I agree wholeheartedly, for you to so reflexively focus more on the source of a statement than the veracity of it is especially disappointing.

And something like this:

Like I tried to say (maybe it was different thread) I think that training etc. is the funner game to play. but its not the dominate one at that level. You got to trade your way up or wait a loooong time.

Simply absurd. Getting out of V in the USA is ridiculously easy, and IV is not exactly a murderer's row either. To say that you've got to daytrade or wait a long time is absolutely inaccurate, when we're talking about USA V and IV. Of course, the fact that someone can daytrade and promote out of V quickly is great; you can also mostly avoid trading altogether, train guys and still promote out of V. Equating "something works" with "something is the only thing that works", though, is where you're off track here.

I would like to ask a question from the name of this thread - HOW LONG SHOULD THIS TAKE? :)

Also, GM should finally close this thread. It served the purpose.

I would like to ask a question from the name of this thread - HOW LONG SHOULD THIS TAKE?

The real question is "how long should this take" for Wolph to "get it". The debate is not Americans vs. Wolph. It's lower division users vs. a guy who asserted that training is worthless in lower divisions. Wolph makes incendiary, baseless comments about the value of training, then complains when he's called to the carpet on his comments. His repeated argument that "you're in division ___......." is equally baseless. His claim of the intellectual high ground in the BB world ignores the fact that his team history isn't so great when compared with this user (146725) from a similar-sized country who started at approximately the same time, who has vastly outpaced the production of the illustrious Fire Country Trail Blazers.

All of this is a shame because, as Gologol stated above, Wolph's posts would be pretty insightful if they weren't so toxic.

Last edited by Arthur Monay at 10/6/2011 9:04:56 PM

I am not in Wolph's fan club or anything but I will stick up for him and say he does have a lot of very constructive things to say. I initially assumed his very aggressive ways of saying things were cultural because he is Japanese. Now that I know he is an American living in Japan...I still think it is cultural. The society is very rigid with people having to show great respect for their superiors so if you are in division IV you MUST bow when a JBBL manager enters the room and listen, anything else is a great disrespect. You can still have a discussion, you just need to do it the "correct" way.

I am starting to wonder where the heck this thread is going now.

As for promoting out of USA division V I have already told everyone many times about my buddy from USA who just bought guys on the TL for $1k each week and then fired them at the end of the week. Them and his three trainees got him promoted. Now that is easy!