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I strongly suggest to the people who aren't happy with the proposed changes help figure out an alternative solution to the problem. Because it is a problem - how do you encourage people to train and develop their own national players?

I'm a fella who has a starting line up of 3 Spainiards, 1 Portugeese and 1 Italian player and because of this I understand there is a definate need to implement a change. Because what advangtage is there currently? I drafted a brilliant (although 19 year old) English SG last year and instead of figuring out a way to train him i sold him and bought an older foreign player - which helped me get a much better league position. What's stopping players continuing to do that over and over? Currently there are no benefits given to people that do take the hit in their current ability to win games in order to help develop national talent.

The players that have "a 5 year plan to develop youth" might find that in 5 seasons the top leagues are too hard to get to. I could be very wrong but to me a plan that sees you winning in 2 seasons is better than one where you "might" win in 5.

The main issue however is without a change the larger nation's national teams will keep getting stronger and stronger.

One proposal may be that if they are to introduce the wage tax then maybe there should be a way to buy computer ran team's young players? Or something to boost the amount of young players coming from the small countries.

It's an interesting point and one that probably needs a lot of discussion. Suggestions from players, especially at this early stage, seem to be listened to pretty intently, i'm sure a reasonable solution can be developed.

Well, I do believe that finding the players that you want should require more effort than just applying 3-4 filters, that way it's more rewarding when you find it. Now that you can filter on potential, most people would just filter allstar as a minimum. Who really wants to see 6th man and benchwarmers, i've never seen a team consist of low potential players before. MVP and up are too easy to find now. They used to be rare gems when you were browsing through your list of filtered players, now they are just presented as cupcakes.

What happened to the fact that most of the GM's stated, almost as a fact, that filtering by country would never happen. That it would be too easy to find possible NT's this way and kill the meaning of having scouts. Which i also agree with. Now that it has been implemented i hear nothing about it from the GM's. Like it should have been implemented from the start...

It's just too simple. I don't like it when BB wants to hold my hand when other people are too lazy to find the players on their own. And i know one of you is gonna go like: "well if you don't like it, don't use it", well the option is there why not use it. I still believe that it's way too easy to find players now.

I agree.

I disagree about NT, such players are already known to sane NT manager.

as far as i am aware, no team from a small country has won the BBB yet

actually jbmcrock himself posted right after you, claiming the changes will damage him because he's from a small country

No extra facts are needed in my view. Hence I did not provide any.

There has been a discussion, in the thread I linked to, whose clear outcome was that at the top teams in smaller countries get to compete at too small a cost. I can only refer you to that and hope you're not too biased towards your special interest.

Finally. England is not such a small country (520 users). Check out how many active users there are in Japan.

So basically this change is because guys from big countries were whining that those (enter whatever) from small countries who allegedly face no competition steal them players they want from TL?! How dare they! I don't want to believe this.

I thought it was clear consensus in that thread that once such a team from smaller country starts buying those players he/she would face similar financial condition as those from bigger countries. What went wrong?

i am sorry... Because it is a problem - how do you encourage people to train and develop their own national players?

before you get angry with me... i am not saying you are wrong or going to imply that you are... the NT is a fun side game for the national team coach and perhaps the few coaches that have a NT player in the NT team, but why on earth should I train own national players when it weakens my team and my changes in ever winning to BBB?

If what you are saying is really the reason the BB developers want to implent this change, which i believe you are wrong thinking that is the reason, but we both arent wrong or right because they havent said so, so this is all pure guessing, but it could be a reason so i respond to it, than i will quit the game...

For me, and i am not implying the other coaches must have the same idea like me, my own team and winning the national division with the best team possible to me is my main goal in this game. The second goal would be to win the cup. My third goal would be to win the BBB and very low on my priority list is the NT and therefore training homegrown players that are currently alot weaker than the foreign trainees i can afford.

I drafted a brilliant (although 19 year old) English SG last year and instead of figuring out a way to train him i sold him and bought an older foreign player - which helped me get a much better league position. What's stopping players continuing to do that over and over?

I am not sure as I understand what you mean by this. it sounds you are against this... May I ask why? I am only asking because i am trying to understand what other people feel. for me there are different ways to success and although I dont approave to all off them and I agree with you it would be cooler to have a team of home grown talent and train them for years and years. I dont see the difference between homegrown or foreign bought.

I agree with you there are no benefits for teams that train players instead off buy and sell etc. I wont comment on whether a player is trained with NT in mind or for own use. I do believe that in the long run, I hope i will be right or else i have a big problem, that training now my players and not concentrating on higher league positions will give me the benefit in the long run.

Your idea about the computer run teams is something I have been wondering about too. I have seen over the last few seasons many good draftees go to bot teams and I am not certain they dont disappear for good. It would be good if these draftees that have the potential to become great players somehow end up with players that would need them and train them. the only question is how, i really have no clue how to do that in a fair way... releasing them on TransferMarket would mean draftees from players might become unsellable, means less money for these teams etc

I agree with you changes are needed, but not the way it sounds like they are implementing it. If I look at the small countries they will have serious problems getting a decent team together. And for the teams that put long term plans into place like I did, the time scale they are implementing this change isnt long enough to make the most out off the plans I made... But I do understand that my team is not the most important... if it benefits the whole i will accept these changes, but not happily...

If the change benefits the majority less than it hurts the minority is it therefore correct?

That's what I'm afraid of. TL list was changed because majority wanted it. More to come? :(

the thing that is clear from the news (in my opinion) is that they will implement a salary increase for players that are not from your home country.

Also, we be making good better use of player nationalities, and domestic players will be slightly (typically 10-20%) better economically than foreign ones.

i have no problem with the rule as such as long as you have a choice to use home grown players or not. i just cant see people in small countries like for example japan to have enough decent acceptable trainees to have a choice. this means it does give an unfair advantage to people that can make the choice.

I reckon that the changes will be implemented anyway to make sure a team from the smaller countries surely never will win the BBB. Imagine a country from a small team win and all the abuse that breaks loose from all the players claiming that players in small countries have an easy ride!!! (yes sarcasm here)

Excellent post.

You do understand that a team from small country will have more revenue due to no competition thus making him able to create a better team that the guy in the big league because he wins everything nomatter what -> Fan survey is always maxxed.

Khm... So can you actually back up your claim with numbers.
Let's take Drunkers for example he has 369564 player salaries (not including the drafted players). Let's tax that with 10% that's ~36956 per week in taxes if you would have it in your country. Now his 3 Italyan players will make his team cost 13676 less per week. That's a whooping 191464 per season. If you think that one team can make just national player base team and be successful then you are wrong because none will give them away just to streanghten your opponent in the league. Now he has extreamly hard league and you will make that money back easy with easier games. If there are more users then more users need those no tax players -> stiffer competition harder to get. Every country has those inactive players + a lot of those good prospects will not be sold as people who know the game will keep them for themselves. With this change you have a better chance of getting that canadian superdraftplayer because others will be looking for their nationality player. Any of the low user country superteam can actually buy out any decent draftee if there is lesser outside intrest.

Khm... So can you actually back up your claim with numbers.
Let's take Drunkers for example he has 369564 player salaries (not including the drafted players). Let's tax that with 10% that's ~36956 per week in taxes if you would have it in your country. Now his 3 Italyan players will make his team cost 13676 less per week. That's a whooping 191464 per season. If you think that one team can make just national player base team and be successful then you are wrong because none will give them away just to streanghten your opponent in the league. Now he has extreamly hard league and you will make that money back easy with easier games. If there are more users then more users need those no tax players -> stiffer competition harder to get. Every country has those inactive players + a lot of those good prospects will not be sold as people who know the game will keep them for themselves. With this change you have a better chance of getting that canadian superdraftplayer because others will be looking for their nationality player. Any of the low user country superteam can actually buy out any decent draftee if there is lesser outside intrest.

This is useless because he can replace his players with domestic players much more easily to save much more, so your numbers of current state are only good to support one point of view.

What can be the purpose of a nationality tax, other than to discriminate against smaller countries? Aside from the fact that this has little resemblance to reality, for most small countries (perhaps Japan excepted), the level of competition in the top divisions is becoming much more competitive and approaching the other top domestic leagues (I am confident that at least 3 Naismith teams would make the playoffs in any current domestic league). Within a few more seasons, the competition gap will be closed.

Laissez-faire should be a first option.

If divison I.1 is small countries are such walkovers as some people believe, it would mean no fun for a team dominating that league. So effort of that team to succeed in BBB is legitimate and if the team has a temporal advantage that's right.