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1. monkey hear no evil see no evil? When a longtime Nippon team quit, he offered in the forums publicly his username and password to whoever wanted it. This was common practice in his day/some nations, when you wuit, give your team to someone who still played, like an old friend...for what? NT farming? Money transfer? one is allowed the other isn't.

all three things ain't allowed.

2. Not when they are training salary effecient now, the harder to make ones. Everyone wants these players!!!! Or let FA and farming go on till hte market is even flooded with expertly trained players. Then we know for sure that the casual user will enver train a player of any use or value. Is this really good for the game on teh whole? Sounds like a game where people quit and nobody new joins... Why would they? no point to even try.

many club team do it, why you need cheaters for it? But just cause a cheater own then for a while, you need to punish the nation, especially the ex owners etc.

3. Why is so bad about killing teh palyers of someone who quit the game? Seriously. FA means they quit or got caught cheating. Don7t you get it yet? It's like closing down every factory in town but one, except you leave on the market all the goods of the other factories for free..naturally the one factory left will go out of business.....

it is one protection against NT sabotage, but overall i am not a fan of FA too. But imho i think the BB removing it step by step, right now.

4. They can't sabotage unless the trainers sell their players. Which they only do if they are in DIV and can't pay the salary anymore....

so we should remove salary? Imho pushing player to the salry limit or higher is also recommend in the most newbie guides, with a transfer at the end to strengthen the other positions.
And trainer from NT/U21 player have an extra motivation to do so, even when they know that it is not economical wise i still see post following there process and beeing proud to form then after some season.

5. Now if they sell form legit account to legit account...what does this have to do with FAs????? NOTHING. Player is never an FA if they don't quit or get caught cheating. Like I said, player should not stay in the game then.

Sometimes cheater get caught after purchasing a player. And normally the selling team, shouldn't have an impact on the team who buys there player(such transfer are also then questionable).

If its okay to farm/sit on NT players (with your 'one' acccount) then why is it not okay to buy and kill GS other nation players? Its the same thing.

not close to the same think imho, one is creating a player over a RL year the other means pilling up money and just destroying the fun of others.

Also your suggestion would include cheating to kill him, with would be an incentive to cheat which we both didn't want right?

And NT player/prospect owned by cheater is much much higher, then the number of NT player prospect owned by teams who cheat to give them the right enviroment to do so. But it would still hurt a lot of people then, and bring in the pillory.

his only BENEFITS the public to make a greater chance of REAL teams to have an NT player/trainee...

it wouldn't change the amount on player on the NT, so the chanche is the same since it go to the open market and them to real teams.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 6/25/2012 8:45:22 AM

Wolph, could you please stop "replying" to me, when your messages don't realted to anthing i wrote and I already expressed i see no point in arguing with you? You are here long enough to know how To: Everybody option works. Thank you.

#1 I think sabotage is so much easier to catch if its multiaccounting... So why not encourage peopel to ge tthemselves caught?

it is much easier to hide your first team, if you mean this ;)

And you miss the main point of it, cheating for the NT really isn't that big as you make it. And most cheater owning NT player/prospect dont do it for there or another NT.

#2 They need the trainer to sell the player...by paying someone money for something, how are you ruining their fun?

since they are stars, and player you put effort into it? This mean you have a conenction to them and follow there future career too.

If some team in DV France spends all his money and energy to make the perfect player for the France NT, and that excites you, it does not excite the competitoin. It does not excite any French owner of a player not selected because that farms player was selected.

imho player with prospect, who didn't make it also follow the nt competion and root for them and even for better players there. And respect the effort the div 5 team put into it. imho they are often closer to the team then the average user.

it is a competion, if you loose you don't loose the respect of the opponent.

Do you get it yet?

no i have big problem to get what you mean and write. maybe it works better with a new keyboard, some key seem to lock at your current one.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 6/25/2012 9:44:16 AM

One thing CrazyEye already mentioned but it deserves more highlight is the FAs. There is nothing wrong with them in a sense that player once FA should be removed from the game. Players are brought to game by a) being one of the original 18 players each user gets once his/her registration is complete - NT talent is very rare among those, except maybe very small countries
OR b) player is drafted by someone - NT managers and stuff can't (and shouldn't) influence this - some players are lost by being picked by bots (non-human teams), some are a good fit enough to be trained effectively in their original club and most of nt material talents need to get somewhere else - their owners would either sell them or not and then in many cases training would take a smaller or bigger hit - getting players out of bad situation of that last category often cannot be done by hitting the market as FA (inactive (quitting) team, bankrupt, going to become bot before the draft already, in some countries like Japan I guess also banned team in considerable numbers). There is nothing wrong with tha player if he goes through FA phase. Even if he never goes to foreign country there is plenty of reasons how he can end up being FA. I don't see a reason why to ban those - no matter whether it would help this or that NT I refuse to go that way. And if that player happened ot be on a cheating team that doesn't change anything. You can't control who do you sell players to (well you can to some extent but you can't expect bidding on their own players being a widespread practice among regualr users) and you can't tell what kind of team the buyer is. It may be a completely normal looking team, banned few seasons later, you can't tell. it is better to keep the best players in safe hands but some talent ends up in teams you have no idea about. if such a team won't ruin that player and he is of some use once he is FA, he is a fair game. Most of the players appear on transfer list at least once.

Banned team doesn't equal a chaeting team. There were teams banned after they (the users in RL) moved to another country and wanted to continue playing in their original one.At least that's what I was told. Ask Lithuaninans around. As reason for bans are not given, different reasons fall in the same category.