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U21 Consolation Tournament -- Season 37

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284770.114 in reply to 284770.95
Date: 2/22/2017 12:33:21 PM
Durham Wasps
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As it looks to me though he was willing to risk it all in order to be able to get an extra game. Something he also got.

He didn't really risk anything. Playing CT vs TIE isn't a risk. Its basically throwing away the future for one small moment.

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284770.115 in reply to 284770.106
Date: 2/22/2017 2:32:11 PM
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Nah mediocrity is sacrificing the season to win a game very far away from the final. It is like crunching the defending champ
Most teams winning the senior consolation tournament are between 20-30 in size. Holland is 34th. Ukraine of course is 33rd. Unless you really believe that they had 4% chance to win on a CT and absolutely 0% to win on a Normal.

Me and Gully have had our large share of disagreements and if you go check the English forums you will see much worse stuff than the nasty exchanges you had on the Canadian boards at the time Sparky was your coach. Read that and tell me again about our bromance lol. Logic is logic, that's it...

Wanna perhaps ask Darkonako why he's TIEing every game in the U21 worlds even against US and China? Ask him why he's reducing his chances on single games. Is it perhaps because he's trying to win the tournament? Sure his starting odds were much better but he's doing his best to maintain or improve those odds. Reducing your chances from 1% to 0.1% (for the tournament) is the exact opposite.

Maybe next worlds Pakistan can NOR Spain and get a win, and save enthusiasm for future games too! 'Cuz anyone can beat anyone right?
I never claimed that anyone can beat anyone, that random results happen, others did. In fact if you read I said that based on the actual statistics and play-by-play the game makes no sense. You gave Holland a 3-4% chance of winning. I just explained the logical conclusion of such an opinion.

Pakistan is a micronation they are not a nation with a full D2 which should be enough to field a decent lineup. Holland already proved against Serbia that it was more than decent as a team at that level.

In any case it's a free world. You want to commit suicide? Waste your Ent and crunch all you want and by all means go out gun blazing. Want to win even though the chance is slim? Save your energy for the long run. I really can't believe people who think there's always a chance are also those who say prioritise a battle over the war.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/22/2017 3:18:55 PM

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284770.117 in reply to 284770.115
Date: 2/22/2017 3:25:44 PM
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Me and Gully have had our large share of disagreements and if you go check the English forums you will see much worse stuff than the nasty exchanges you had on the Canadian boards at the time Sparky was your coach. Read that and tell me again about our bromance lol. Logic is logic, that's it...

I'd missed that. We should post that on the English forum in case anyone missed it. Would give a few people a laugh.

I knew one day we'd finally agree on something though lol.

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284770.118 in reply to 284770.116
Date: 2/22/2017 4:16:23 PM
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Most teams winning the senior consolation tournament are also seed 1 to 3 after the round robin, benefitting from the HCA until semi final at least, which was clearly not the case of Nederland here. They were dead on the long run anyway, since never a team managed to win the consolation tournament with a round robin ranking lower than 17 (and it was a very big nation, Spain season 20). Nederland was 32. Please stop claiming they had a chance to win the tournament, even a little one.
So you're also in the party of the no chance. Fact checking on the U21 consolation tournament: Ukraine was 7th, Estonia 6th and Serbia 7th (that's 3 winners in the last 5 editions who won 2 games on the road, the 1st seed only won once in the last 5 times). For me going from 0.1% chance to 0.02% chance of winning the tournament is illogical and please see that in the real world there are teams at the highest possible level who won a season (which is harder than a cup) starting with 5000/1 odds (that is 0.02% implied chance). They shouldn't even have tried either and resigned to their fate I suppose?

The Serbia game clearly highlighted Holland's team is not as bad as people give them credit for. If they didn't use GDP, they'd have had a fairly good chance to win the 2nd round against Serbia too, probably as high as 50/50 and maybe more on a CT vs TIE. I like how the people who were saying things can happen and anybody can win, now are the ones dissing Holland as if they are a shitty team with no chance of winning. The simplest explanation on the last 2 rounds is that Holland is not that bad and actually their coach decisions hurt them in the round robin otherwise they wouldn't have qualified as 32nd.

Ultimately I'm criticising the attitude: how exactly are you ever going to win anything if you self-sabotage your chances? People reasoning like this, not believing in themselves and their (low) chances they will need a much bigger dose of good luck to win anything.

Darkonako knows that and estimated his team (which I consider the best in the tournament by the way) to be able to reach the semi finals without normal against USA and China. He was right and that is why he is a great NT coach.
Of course he is right, that's what I'm trying to explain: he would have been right even if he had lost. Obviously Holland in this case is the US, not Spain.

You are really not using good comparisons here (I loved the part about football world cup finals too, very pertinent),
It was trash talking which the dutch dude seems very adept at, borderline insulting people left and right when he doesn't even know what he's talking about. And it's absolutely pertinent to use the football example for people who don't appear to like winning even in their most popular sport.

I am usually in the "never crunch" team (except for world rankings maybe and except if you are South Africa and still didn't get a single win in all World Cups :P).
...like the vast majority of rational people.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/22/2017 4:22:19 PM

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284770.121 in reply to 284770.120
Date: 3/13/2017 2:30:58 PM
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Welcome to Bosnia basketball fans, time to play in our country ;D

This is where we hold them!
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284770.122 in reply to 284770.121
Date: 3/13/2017 2:39:02 PM
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That's it ! First time to win it, and we have even broke the record of U21 finals, winning by 32 !!!

See you next year in Bosnia !


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284770.123 in reply to 284770.121
Date: 3/13/2017 2:42:24 PM
Durham Wasps
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Congrats. You lot looked great all season. I feel a lot better about you beating me twice seeing you win the final.