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56772.114 in reply to 56772.106
Date: 2/23/2009 11:41:03 AM
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but in my view you're making the same mistake here that many late-starting users make when they're complaining that they can't catch up with the top teams in the game. Of course they can't nor should they.Everybody has to be competitive only with the people in his league and maybe have a chance to catch the people in the next higher league.


True, but the concern I'm trying to raise is that as teams promote into the top level they will not be able to compete, or that the amount of time needed to build a team that can be reasonably competitive will be so long it won't be worth playing.


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Just started this thread and I think the reason we debate so fiercely topics like arena, potential, transfer prices is because sadly they are the only variables that teams can make different decisions on and try to pull away from their rivals.

Maybe i am asking too much but in order for teams to close the gaps on others (which I agree is not going to happen as we currently stand) we should not be trying to soften the advantages others have forged using the limited choices at their disposal.

I feel we need to add more radical variables so that risk takers can be rewarded and so front runners still need to make the best choices in order to remain at the top of the pile.

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56772.115 in reply to 56772.113
Date: 2/23/2009 11:42:01 AM
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Sorry CrazyEye, not trying to be rude, I just couldnt understand that.

If BB is going to try and control massive arenas, as many threads are dovoted to just this, then it must be soon in order to not anger people and create balance. The last posting of biggest arenas on this thread was the Bulls at just under 40k. If we make the arena luxury tax above this, no one now is affected, and a soft cieling has been established where no one got screwed. Who would lose with this suggestion?

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56772.116 in reply to 56772.108
Date: 2/23/2009 11:42:32 AM
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I fully agree with everything you have stated in this thread.
It was much easier to expand the arena a few seasons ago than it is now. And this is a fact.
As I stated in other threads, the economy for teams starting now in low divisions is probably a bit too tough and not much fun.

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56772.117 in reply to 56772.115
Date: 2/23/2009 11:45:25 AM
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i just say that a taxis ridiculous if you don't get out of it?

Then it better to say, that there are max. 40k bleachers 110 VIplounges etc., and make it impossible to build more.

But if the BB want to have low prices, you need big arenas or much less people who watch that game, so that you could fill 10k arena with prices of 5$ and don't have to ask for 20$ instead.

Edit: and you still have something like a tax, because the extra earning of extra seats become lower the more you have. As seen above.

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56772.118 in reply to 56772.117
Date: 2/23/2009 11:51:26 AM
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i just say that a taxis ridiculous if you don't get out of it?


Sorry, again a bit confusing. The idea is to stop arenas from expanding to rediculous unrealistic size, and to not upset anyone who has allready built. As GM Brianjames pointed out, the problem only gets worse in the future. If the cap were 50k like I said (just a #) then new players in season 20 wont look at the arenas of Div I being 150k capacity and say 'whats the use?"

Top teams can still charge more per seat and will still make more money than lower division teams, it will still be difficult to gain ground on them, but not exponentially more difficult as time passes.

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56772.119 in reply to 56772.116
Date: 2/23/2009 11:52:42 AM
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I fully agree with everything you have stated in this thread.
It was much easier to expand the arena a few seasons ago than it is now. And this is a fact.
As I stated in other threads, the economy for teams starting now in low divisions is probably a bit too tough and not much fun.


the only variable i see that can get us back on track is the transfer market and that is fuelled by the training speeds of players as well as money...

Training speeds are too slow (IMO) and accumalation of money for small teams is too.... results rarely carry a shock now if the tactics are correct....

Without an improvement from this it will continue to be a slow laborious rise to the summit for those that are patient enough.. but as Brian says those trying to catch will just be arriving at the spot others are now and they in turn wouldve moved on.

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56772.120 in reply to 56772.118
Date: 2/23/2009 11:54:12 AM
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How many courtside seats will fit around 1 BB court? All the courts are the same dimension, so do the courtside seats stack on top off each other?

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56772.121 in reply to 56772.119
Date: 2/23/2009 11:57:41 AM
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I don't want to go OT but imho of course, training speed is ok, have a look to this guy:

Weekly salary: $ 8 760
DMI: 170900
Age: 19
Height: 6'0" / 183 cm
Potential: allstar
Game Shape: proficient

Jump Shot: prolific Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: prolific Handling: respectable
Driving: awful Passing: awful
Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: strong
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: average Free Throw: mediocre

Experience: atrocious

I've bought him at 18yo and at the end of next season he will be a good player ;)

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56772.122 in reply to 56772.118
Date: 2/23/2009 12:01:06 PM
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If the cap were 50k like I said (just a #) then new players in season 20 wont look at the arenas of Div I being 150k capacity and say 'whats the use?"


so mabe you miscalated and build 50k instead of 49999 seats, in this case you made one time failure and are ****** up for years and years ...

Or maybe you build a lot bleachers, and it makes more sense to have 200 VIp loges instead, because you earn more per seat but can not build any more ...

So if you can not make the step back, in this case make hard caps instead.

And the question was the use is important, as i pointed out before, the positive effect reduces with every seats, so it won't make sense to build to infinite, even now addiitional seats in big arena need long time to get you the cash back and the advantage is very low in comparision to teams with smaller arenas, and this calculation depend that you could hold the league for 8-9 seasons so are very risky.

So you also could say that we need more level 7 coaches, and make then so cheap everybody could afford them ... But maybe it wasn't bad that managers have to ask the what the use question, before they buy a coach even when they don't buy the best at the end.

Top teams can still charge more per seat and will still make more money than lower division teams, it will still be difficult to gain ground on them, but not exponentially more difficult as time passes.


the problem would appear with small arena in a bigger dimension i think.

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56772.123 in reply to 56772.122
Date: 2/23/2009 12:08:41 PM
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I agree with that. If my suggestion were taken seriously, a change would have to be made so you could tear down seats....at a price. Then rebuild better. What you pointed out is that building an arena properly would require strategy, an important aspect of the game wouldnt be lost, arena's would still require strategy in being built. With a 50k softcap(taxes on the over), the Bulls (for example) would still have wiggle room to fill out the right kind of seats he needs. Again, I just dont see who loses, but I see this as an improvement on the game for everyone.

I lived in Pasadena for years. There is a stadium called the Rose Bowl there, seats nearly 90k. The city of Pasadena imposed a tax based on possible attendance for any event there in order to pay for the extra police, and wear and tear to the local roads etc. 90,000 people in a three block radius is quite the spectacle.

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56772.124 in reply to 56772.121
Date: 2/23/2009 12:13:43 PM
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sure but ned he is allstar potential so there is no rush with these guys.. at 22/23 he will be maxed out even if you only train him 75% of the time...

thats the point - the incentive to buy an uber amazing trainee vs an ordinary one is little different anymore at these potential caps.

We are all on the same conveyor belt - we will all someday have Wondrous JS Wondrous OD guards and Wondrous Big men and we will all have very similar team ratings.. (you can see from the PL's we are already closely bunched together.)

More tactics or faster/different player evolution is needed to spice things up.. player unrest at not starting for example.... announce the hidden attributes... arguing about ROI on arena is pointless... we all discovered long ago you could build and build and thanks to Hambourg we know where we can go if we want to.

Its tricky to just let the reigns off and spark a mad frenzy but we are all now very close clones of one another.... and the outcomes of games now and your on court success are only really being influenced by just doing the same thing slightly faster or slower than everyone else.

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