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From: Lemonshine

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Date: 12/9/2016 6:29:06 PM
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since you are calling me a liar.
XD oh wait you weren't joking.

You said I was wrong when you clearly did not understand that the fact I was referring to Buzzer-manager and not stating opinions as facts as others have done here. You said
I would have expected a salary far below 50k with the old formula.
I tell you that everyone can go and check 19,7,17 12,19,11 20,8,8,5 and see that in the old formula Buzzer-Manager had 60.3k salary. You then say Buzzer-manager is not accurate. I tell you it's not accurate by 2-4%, you are saying Chaperon without changes would be 16-20% below the Buzzer-manager estimate. You complain I called you a liar when I presented you with simple evidence based on the only tool available aside from the code itself.

I re-read all your posts and you never mentioned you were privy of the details of what's been done. So yeah, if you don't know the details it means it's your opinion. So I'm not saying you're lying, I'm saying that I think you're wrong.

So I did what a reasonable person would do. I asked that to invalidate all I said, you show me any player who has an actual salary which is 16%-20% than Buzzer-manager's estimate so that I can agree with you that Buzzer-manager cannot be used to estimate anything...

From: Foto

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Date: 12/9/2016 6:38:18 PM
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You could be true, but a huge amount of player's position variations would have been very painful for too many teams since a position change could mean a high change in salaries.

From: Robard

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Date: 12/10/2016 2:08:50 AM
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How is a salary increase that hits everyone the same decreasing the dominance of LI teams?
Thats the most simple wording of the problem i can imagine and the answer is still missing.

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Date: 12/10/2016 5:54:02 AM
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Wrong about what? I see a change from negative to some 7-8% for 33yo guards (in the guard salary formula) and a 5% increase slapped on a lot of big men with low and high IS. For all we know the guards changes are not entirely based on IS either. You don't know this and Foto don't know this for sure although you both talk as it's a given fact that raises are (only) due to IS.

You seriously have a problem with interpreting statistics. A salary increase tells you nothing about IS per se. Like Josef Ka and whoever updates the formulas in Buzzer-Manager do, you need to do a regression in order to estimate the value of the salary coefficients and then compare the results to the previous values. Do you want to bet that changes have not only been done to IS which is what most people have a problem with here above? Do you want to bet our aliases on this LA-CaptainTeemo (South Africa U21 manager)? Maybe you should rather talk about how Chaperon's skillset would have a salary far below 50k too... (y)

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/10/2016 6:04:51 AM

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282669.124 in reply to 282669.118
Date: 12/10/2016 8:09:21 AM
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How is a salary increase that hits everyone the same decreasing the dominance of LI teams?


The question is that I don't think this is true. LI teams have more guards with high IS, and LI teams have more PFs with high OD playing as SF, SG and even PG.
So globally LI teams have more players affected.
But in the end, the dominance of LI teams will still depend on users. Anyone can still build a winner LI team, but now you should pay more for it.

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Date: 12/10/2016 8:19:26 AM
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you are just denying obvious evidence.
lol no you just want to pass opinions as facts and provided 'evidence' with limited context once again

Take any 31-33 yo
Take only the 33yo. It should be abundantly clear players can receive training at 30 and 31, although it's not much. Most of the players who are in a guard formula despite having high IS would need to get to 11 potential to get capped, therefore most of them respond to training.

And of course the changes are not only for IS, but it is the main component of the salary increase.
That's a reasonable statement, but it's not what was discussed here. The discussion was about LI guards impact to which you replied with examples claiming it was between 5% and 8.8% clearly qualifying your selection based on IS.

The change appears to have an impact on other secondaries (most likely at least RB) on guards not just IS as you don't get a discernible pattern based on IS for players with similar but different IS, especially in the 6-8 bracket. Note that I'm not saying they increased the contribution of RB or ID, it might well be that they decreased it, but they must have changed or some primaries must have changed.

The salary changes for 33yo guards I've checked are anywhere from -4% to +7% but it's clearly not dependent on IS alone.
And since the rest of the inside skills are usually a lot lower, it's entirely possible that the change equally affected other inside skills but you see IS as the largest contributor because you selectively picked your sample and other inside skills are not usually that high. There are no guards with 6 IS and 17 RB, so this is very difficult to check for other inside skills at the levels you checked for IS. Do you follow?

But I guess you would still deny them since you are trolling on this subject since the beginning.
Not really, I'm very confident that the updated values will be accurate as they were in the past, but you have already changed the bet from "IS is the reason" to "IS is the most important cause".

Also calling someone troll on the forums is a breach of the game manual apparently for which I received warnings before. Foto?

Stop talking about a declining 38 yo player, whom you don't know the decimals and you guess his new salary based on a formula (which never had been precise to 2-4% as you claim by the way, especially for uncommon players).
Ok. I'll be the adult here and drop Chaperon. I just want to remark that nobody has explained rationally how suddenly the estimate is off by so much even assuming Foto was completely wrong about the sub 50k statement (60.3k/56.4k*1.08-1=15.5%).

Also it's worth noting once and for all that a player like Chaperon is easier to achieve than other builds with a lot of outside power (and notably 20 or more OD). There were at least 3 HoF draftees at 6'5'' and 6'6'' last season for whom that build was achievable in training simulators. Normally I can't get to my goals in the simulators or the player caps if I test distinctly outside oriented builds for 6'0'' players...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/10/2016 8:25:35 AM

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