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Actually that's not our job. Our job is to work together and get in touch with the managers that we have already in the country.

I disagree with you, the job of a coach and do everything possible to improve its national and surely find a way to include more African people is something that in the long run will improve the national team. Say you just want to think about what is now equivalent to having just a vision on which this certainly would not help South Africa to progress through the seasons in BB.

Of course the national coach has to do everything in order to improve the community and make things better. But it is quite difficult to bring a considerable number of new managers in communities like South Africa, especially when you don't have any relationship with the country in real life. I suppose that you have already tried this as a coach of U21 team, but I haven't seen any result. So you have to agree that it's extremely difficult.

If a manager wants to sell a player that we are interested in for the U21 NT or the NT, then we have to ensure that the player will be bought by a foreign cooperative manager who is willing to practice the talent and work with NT coaches. We must not leave any promising player without practice!!!!

And how do you do? Would you like to buy and train all potential national team players? I know that is bad to see a young prospect end up in a team that is not going to train him. But there is no way for us to avoid it if not just buying players but not a feasible things.

Greek community is very big, as Italian. Personally, I have many friends in the Greek community who look for new talented players every season. So I can propose South African players with good prospect to be bought by them. That's a good way to ensure that they will be trained correctly. You could do the same with your friends in the Italian community. Of course, there will be a few players who will be "lost" and not practiced, but we can save and train the majority of South African talents!!


Last edited by thanos at 6/29/2010 12:49:11 PM

In italian there is already a threhad forum where national and possible national are posted. After that, however, the only option is to hope that buyers understand that the best solution is training.

Yeah, of course there is this kind of thread in Greece also. But I mean that I can bring in touch the buyer(Greek friends of mine) with the seller(probably South African). These guys will train the player correctly for sure. So this is a good way of minimizing the number of SA talented players who are not progressing!!!

this can certainly help but the best thing would be to increase the number of users with a broader base because the loss of some talented pass almost unnoticed and I think that's what he meant the coach of the Under-21.

Thank you all for the contributions.

Let me keep it alive, it is very relevant to me. As somebody figured out, I have spent time this season trying to increase community involvment, and I will do it again. Let me pick some specific points, as there are few things I wish to discuss more in depth (better now than later). I apologize for rough decontextualizing.

I don't think that we can do something quite effective in order to bring new managers in South Africa. Actually that's not our job. Our job is to work together and get in touch with the managers that we have already in the country.

I recently had a discussion with BB Charles, some GM's and other U21 coaches about it. The ultimate goal of NT/U21 is greater involvment of local communities, to increase bb-fidelity and at the end ensure more business to BB's (thru more fun to all players, of course). Apart of reasonable business drivers, if we fail to involve the community, at the end we cannot be satisfied (me too). Something went better, at least in 1-1 conversations, this season. But it's not enough.
Moreover, if we not allow the community to grow, we will not have players, with final "termination" of U21/NT - i.e. playing with such bad characters that it will become painful to all.

Greek community is very big, as Italian. Personally, I have many friends in the Greek community who look for new talented players every season. So I can propose South African players with good prospect to be bought by them.

This is a key secret of success to Nigeria. I envy them. However, it is not a guarantee. Kevin Mauley, a great talent, our most promising PF (despite potential), was badly trained by an italian trainer. Several players went in Greece, so I posted in BB-Greece looking for a scout to directly interface local community (as my posts were unanswered), without success. Two players were burned in Greece, others elsewhere. Burr was bought to not be trained by a crazy manager (21 + potential means higher price). Issa and Teka were my frustration: at the end of the season, equals at the beginning. I was able to convince Issa's owner to sell it, with common satisfaction (manager too).

Look what they did in Hong Kong this season.

anyone can tell more about it? I knew about HK, but not how.

What experience do you have at the NT level?

let me say that NT is one thing, U21 is definitely another. The first is about long term, the second is about speed and seasonal changes. I would then review the question (to all): What experience do you have at the NT level?

What experience do you have at the NT level?

See my speech. I began my involvement when I drafted Perry Gipson and trained him up to a starting U21 and later NT point guard. From there I stayed active in the US NT circles. I generally stayed away from tactical suggestions for games because of an inability of the managers to keep us updated on player skills. I don’t see the point in asking for suggestions from people if you don’t let them know what we are working with? I gain a greater enjoyment from discussing general game strategy and mentoring users. I have been mentoring for the USA community for the last several seasons. From here Jelme with the help of FatCurry began to assign me the users with the best NT potential players on it.

My examples of successful NT training: Perry Gipson, Marcos Amorrortu.
My examples of successful NT mentoring: Tom Krebs, Ryan Blackwell, Mitchell Gold

Anyone can tell more about it? I knew about HK, but not how.

BB News post:

Growth in Hong Kong

Over the last week and a half we have seen a dramatic increase in the number of Buzzerbeater in Hong Kong. In the first two weeks of April, Hong Kong has grown from around 400 managers to nearly 1400, enough that it needs a new division. For countries with more than 200 managers, this is the largest growth we have seen in BuzzerBeater in the last two years!

From what we understand, we owe this growth to the hard work of the Hong Kong community, who took the time and effort to write personalized endorsements and to maintain active discussions about the game on several prominent Hong Kong forums dedicated to discussions of sports and online gaming. As a measure of our appreciation for this unprecedented effort and success, we are going to extend a period of free Supporter to all of our managers in Hong Kong for the next three months. While we normally keep extra teams available to add new managers during the season, in this case their hard work forced us to make a special effort to expand the size of Hong Kong in the middle of the season. Our system is not designed to accommodate midseason expansion, but this is the sort of hard work we are happy to have!

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Exactly, now I do not know the experience of BB the other candidates, but the coach do the NT is quite different from that of the Under-21, not only with regard to the fact that the NT is in the long term while under -21 is short term.
But an important difference for me is to read the game based on the assessments, the difference in skill level certainly has a different impact depending on what you are talking national level. is this affect the choice of suitable tactics.

As mentioned previously I had to deal with both at the national under-21 that the NT with the Icelandic international. At club level I've coached all departments present in BB and if you want some interesting players I can name me quote Nusret Mungan and Casals Alfred players taken 18years and that until a few days ago thanks to my training was in the national under-21 in Turkey and Spain.

Coaching the two teams is no different. You need the best players as fast as possible. The only difference is that U21 can employ players with lower potential because they are unlikely to reach their soft cap. It is one fluid program if done right. In the US we have our two coaches but we have a contingent of 5-10 people who seriously contribute into the strategy of both the games and the development of the prospects. Theoretically the coaches are both interchangeable and irrelevant as individuals.

. You need the best players as fast as possible

I disagree with you, for the under-21 can be as you say, but already the question changes to the NT. You can not take a player and coach at random only in the primaries, partly because this work do know all the managers.
Also as I said before I think the differences of values are different between proficient and prominent is not as wondrous and marvelous between the incidence is totally different.

In the US we have our two coaches but we have a contingent of 5-10 people who seriously contribute into the strategy of both the games and the development of the prospects.

Even in Italy there are many people who work for national and even if I was elected I intend to surround employees, who will serve as many as in U.S. or in Italy but I will make a discreet staff.