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OK I take back my initial suggestions which would result in teams with lower ranking participating in competition around the world while higher rank teams aren't, you right it's bad idea to do that. The intent of this thread is to open thoughts on expansion for more participation in world tournaments. Currently there are 144 teams that can be a part of the B3. That means only 144 teams can be part of worldwide competition. If National Tournament can have up to 4096 team playing then 4096 teams around the world can play against each other. B3 would be equivalent to Champions League and the other one be equivalent to Europa League or formerly known as UEFA Cup. sure may be a bit hectic on game shape with 48-72 minutes a week required to optimize GS but change regarding that is possible.

Besides I think people enjoy having something they can relate more to real life, I think if B3 would look more like Champions League with divisions and qualifiers make quarter final, that sort of thing it would be cooler, it gives more time for worldwide competition to be involved, and it is very well possible to fit that into the season schedule.

Last edited by Coach_Gil at 12/28/2010 10:50:13 AM

As there is a change in B3 format for next season I don't expect any other change of this type soon.
Maybe second world wide competition can be involved. But it's question who can play this competition? Beaten league and cup finalist? +beaten semifinalists? if we want more team to be involved and this teams can be the best which don't qualify for B3.

As there is a change in B3 format for next season I don't expect any other change of this type soon.
Maybe second world wide competition can be involved. But it's question who can play this competition? Beaten league and cup finalist? +beaten semifinalists? if we want more team to be involved and this teams can be the best which don't qualify for B3.

I just read the new B3 format for next season, i think its great, it's like i mentioned before getting the teams more involved in the competition would be desirable and that new format does it so major thumbs up on that part. I think just as those that get eliminated from the Champions League in the first/second round, they get put into that Cup league I was talking about that would have thousands of participants world wide. I'm here to suggest the idea that thinking of a format to incorporate a way to involve thousands of teams worldwide to play in a tournament would be a much inticing proposition for many BB users to look forward to

OK I thought of ingenious way to create such tournament. Looking into my country's tournament there are 8192 participants with up to 13 weeks go cup matches. It begins in the 1st week of the new season and ends right around the playoffs so knowing that 13 weeks of cup competition from national tournament is possible, so would worldwide competition.

With that being said, given the new format would take the top 32 teams that win, 16 teams that rank from 33 to 48 would fall into that worldwide cup competition just like those that fall from UEFA Championship to Europa Cup. Not all the losers from B3 will qualify but then again not all the UEFA CHampionship losers participate in the Europa Cup. The new format has 8 games before the 32 team single elimination round meaning those teams cannot fall into the new cup tournament until week 9.
With 16 teams from B3 mergining to the new cup, there will be total of 32 teams, the other 16 would be participants of the tournaments that made it through the first 8 weeks of the cup. The tournament would start with 4096 teams and the following table shows how many teams would be around on the right side and the correspondent week on the left:

9...16
8...32
7...64
6...128
5...256
4...512
3...1024
2...2048
1...4096

In week 9 with the 16 extra teams coming from B3 then 32 teams would be competing on the 9th week which would fall down to this table shown below:

9...32
10...16
11...8
12...4
13...2

the 13th week would be the final with 2 teams left. Here is a way to get 4096 teams in addition to the 144 B3 so that would come down to 4240 teams havings a worldwide involvment instead of 144. I haven't thought of yet how many teams from each country and who will be a part of the tournament yet. But you can guess big countries like spain for example would have like 16, and all should accumulate to 4096. I would think of number of involvers that can easily be discussed and figured out but for now acknowledge the new format I'm proposing as a very real possibility

I somewhat agree with you and I am for anything that allows more teams to participate in international tournaments. In fact, I personally think that almost every team in BB should be entered in some kind of international tournament every season.

I would start by getting rid of the domestic cup or replacing it with a tournament that is less lucrative and played in arcade mode. Why? You know that any change would have to be revenue neutral. So if you add more meaningful international games, you have to take the money out of the game somewhere.

Second, get rid of the B3. It is the grey poupon of BB and is out of touch for everyone except the top end users.

Then, add international tournaments. It is a worldwide game. Why do 99.9% of the club games get played at the domestic level? And unless you play the game for a long time or come from a small country, your chances of playing in a meaningful international competition are zero in the current format (no, scrimmages are not meaningful competition in my books, and you cannot play in a PL unless you have supporter).

As for what format the new tournament(s) will take, I will leave that open (for now, although I do have ideas). But with 14 weeks in a BB season, 16384 teams could play in an elimination tournament. That would be a good place to start. And now that there is a world ranking, that certainly could be one element in determining who gets into the tournament. Or maybe the only element?

Anyhow, just my personal feelings.

I support Gil's and your thoughts.

wouldnt it be possible to make a kind of chamionsleague?

al the champions of there division are playing against a champion of another countries division?
Must be difficult to schedule but thats a fair way of getting into Europe
If you do this continental:

north and south america
Europa
Asia and Australie
Middle East and the rest

And maybe you can play the champions of Europe agains the American one and so on?

wouldnt it be possible to make a kind of chamionsleague?

That seems to me to be just another way to form a B3. My personal idea is that everyone (or almost everyone) in BB should be entered into some kind of international tournament every season. If it is just another elite tournament, I think the status quo is fine.

And remember that any idea probably has to be revenue neutral.

Paper Pusher I LOVE your response from (167495.17). If its possible to stick 16384 teams in international competition that would be super duper lovely. Funny thing about 99.9% of games being domestic, it's probably more than in real life, and in real life you actually have to travel to visit a team from another country, some teams played are in super isolated areas where you got to exchange 5 flights into tiny airport and drive 5 hours just to get to the stadium of the visitors team. I mean if those games made possible BB should definitely make worldwide competition possible as well.

While all have their own personal thought, I do think B3 is too tiny and its in everyone's mind just wanting to be part of it but barely anyone can so its somewhat frustrating. I don't think B3 should be eliminated, maybe expanded a little but I do think that somewhere out there there should be matchups made for those who play the best. I think people like to relate to real life, so having something thats equivalent to Champions League should still be around, and have in addition something that will be the equivelant of Europa Cup just with much more teams since BB is about fun and no real aircraft traveling and hotels and homesickness are issues.

The real point I'm trying to make thou is yes there are lots of tweaking into how to implement a large worldwide competition but i'm here to raise awareness of the idea to show you this very super cool thing is possible. I don't care how B3 is affected or not just the idea of adding 4096 to 16384 teams is the main point i hope people can come across with and realize how much they want it and that tweaking a way to make it work is possible

And remember that any idea probably has to be revenue neutra

so keep playing Sc thans or create a private league??