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From: Kukoc

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Date: 12/8/2011 4:13:54 AM
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Once you were relegating from divII. You were drafting 4-th. Drafted a pretty good guy, but sold him for 1mil. Why did you not train him? You expect to keep drafting the best guy, even if you are one of the strongest teams in the league?

From: yodabig

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Actually I have drafted some brilliant players and could field a solid team from my ex-draft picks but the problem is that they have mostly been very unsuitable for me to train. From my early days I was committed to training SGs so while the money was great from drafting and selling brilliant 6'9"and 6'7" players keeping and training them wasn't really an option for me.

Training SFs is a cruel and thankless task, after being trained every week for five seasons here is that draft pick.

Peni Lucas (14843945)
Point Guard
Owner: Yarra Park Bears
Weekly salary: $ 17 613
Age: 23
Height: 6'7" / 201 cm
Potential: superstar

Nope I don't expect to keep on drafting the best guy but I would hope to draft someone great for me to train at some stage.

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Date: 12/8/2011 7:33:19 AM
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I laughed when i read this

This is a point where I somehow agree with Pin


*sorry Pini*

yer look, i think its a good thinking outside the square kind of idea. so you get a ball for that. But i think its trying to use a sledge hammer to crack a walnut.

I do kind of like the idea of hiding potential, but then that would TOTALLY stuff up the transfer market.
I know people whinge about low potential players. But i was just recently bidding on a guy with 6th-man potential. OK so im in Div III but im 10-0 and my starting SF is injured. point being is that a) Somebody trained this guy and b) i was prepared to buy him.
Ironically, so was someone else, because they outbid me.

fact is ive used star and starter potential players in the past, because there is no pressure to constantly train them. They have reached their cap, so now they become the player that i dont care about training minutes for.

So, what im saying is, is that i feel that there actually is a valid place for these kinds of potential players.
yoda hit the nail on the head with the dispersion stats. I actually think the problem is the salary of the players. why have a 19 year old MVP PF with atrocious rebounding. its just not cricket.

anyways, good ideas, but too much change for me. think smaller :)

From: Kukoc

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If he's been training him for 5 seasons, then obviously he is doing something wrong.
So you chose not to train your great draftees. I rest my case...

From: yodabig

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He was a great draftee but at 6'7" with more inside skills than outside he wasn't for me training SGs. Do you really win this case just because I don't totally change my entire team around get rid of all my old big guys and replace them with young ones and stop training all my established guards just because I draft someone great but totally unsuitable for my current plans?

In another season I drafted a brilliant high $ player who was perfect except for the minor fact that he was a 6'6" PG with atrocious JS. Should I have spent an entire season training JS just to get him to the starting line by age 19 and then watch him train very slowly ever after?

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From: Kukoc

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Who cares about winning the case? I just don't see the point on dragging this any longer. I understand now that you want the perfect trainee, whenever it suits you. You have drafted some great trainees and chose not to train them.
totally change my entire team around get rid of all my old big guys and replace them with young ones and stop training all my established guards just because I draft someone great but totally unsuitable for my current plans?
Yes, if you want to train your own trainee, it means you have to get rid of the old training plan and suit your own draftees needs.

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Date: 12/9/2011 4:39:14 AM
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i really like these kind of ideas coming forwards. Quite a few points have been raised against the ideas here but i think there is a lot of concern about new players and how the transfer market will be affected and other such things, which i dont think is really founded on any logic or evidence - and when i look through it, it just boils down to established managers and teams not wanting to change and adapt to new ideas - whether these ideas are truly better or not!

I think more elements of randomness would be good. More hidden abilities /less transparent views of players skills until time/money has been spent to identify them / different rates of training etc - all good stuff in my opinion.

these hidden skills could be described or explained by personality or physical traits. whether they affect the speed of training, or provide a modifier to one or more skills in a game, or to your team as a whole, or in certain situations... the possibilities are endless and exciting with imagination.

some ideas to illustrate what i mean:
Ambidextrous - would mean a player gets some bonuses to his skills like passing and shooting around the basket.
Athletic - bonuses to rebounding
Flair - the fans love the player and buy more merchandise, may be susceptible to more turnovers/missed shots
Quick learner - small bonus to training speed (could be subdivided into certain skills)
Agile (feet) - lower % chance of travelling, bonus to defence, particularly ID
Agile (hands) - lower % chance of turnover, bonus to defence, particularly OD
Leader - when on the court bonus to teams skill checks in the game when the team is down by >10 points

From: CrazyEye

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or a dude with high JS and JR is a good three point shooter

a dude with high handling and passing makes few to

a dude with high driving travels less

such thing like flair and leader might be implemented but please nothing which is also reflected in skills, also it should have disadvantages too. Cause when they got skill bonus without getting paid for, it is weird and making specialities necessary to some builds, besides starting skill won't help much too.

And it is not only fight against change at all, cause you shouldn't change just for the change in my eyes you should do it for improve. I don't like such argument, who just attack the other side.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 12/9/2011 4:56:48 AM

From: Kukoc

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Date: 12/9/2011 5:50:13 AM
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The game is ment to be based on player skills. If you add specialitys to them and make more things hidden and random, you create a mess. Where noone understand what was the reason behind win/loss. The game is already pretty complicated to new users. Old users will always adapt to any change, but these changes do not make the game better. It just makes the game really random. It will become a scouting frenzy, where everyone is mostly in the dark (even about info on your own team).
Ofcourse the older users, who already are familiar with the system, might handle the scouting frenzy (as there is no other good BB-management game). But the new users, who already struggle at the start of their careers without some proper mentoring, will rather quit than start to calculate all the different little additions to training speed, game performance etc.
This change is not good for the game. It would basically destroy the fundamentals of the game.
Edit: I just googled around a bit. When I started playing BB, there was another basketball manager game. I read it's user manual and surprise surprise a lot of the things suggested in the suggestion boards are in that game. I will not say the name, but I'm sure everyone can google it. Go play that game! I remembered looking at one my friends teams and saw it's crap with all the "set tactics by quarter" etc things. Perhaps it suits your needs better. GL.

Last edited by Kukoc at 12/9/2011 5:52:00 AM

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Date: 12/9/2011 8:18:11 AM
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Yeah, so why not leave it up to the manager to decide what he wants to know and how much he´ll pay for knowing it by making scouting points the key there?

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