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On the simpler form of this suggestion, both sides know the price of a draft picks, and can decide whether they want to sell or buy one.
A draft pick given by a team from an higher league is worth less from the buyer POV, and hence in REAL negotiation he would have get less for that comparing to a buyer from a lower league.

why is that like that, is a first pick of a div 1 different from a first pick of a div 5? No it is the same. The only reason you bring in is, that higher div value the draft less, i doubt that but let say it is true in that case the value for the team who get the draft pick is higher since the likelihood of getting a good draft pick with a later pick is better.*

Anyone that has no interest can understand that.

no interest in economic, thinking etc? Or did you go to a shop, and try to get a apple cheaper in saying buying another apple for the same quality for the same price. Also the super market don't raise the price of the apples, since you walk in with a suit and not in jeans and look like you had money.

The current bid that is needed to be overbid will be calculated from the seller POV - meaning that now the draft-pick will carry his value for that player.

think about it, the "offered" player has it value independ of his team who own it.

But you still don't find solution for the basic problems, like knowledge about the draft pool, defining a proper value for the pick etc.

* since apples are maybe to real for you, i give you an example. You like to sell Player X and get following offers:

50.000$ + a fifth pick
50.000$ + a first pick

i believe common sense would lead to take the second offer, but people of logic like you take offer one since this teams play 3 leagues below ;)

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/7/2012 12:37:57 PM

On the simpler form of this suggestion, both sides know the price of a draft picks, and can decide whether they want to sell or buy one.
A draft pick given by a team from an higher league is worth less from the buyer POV, and hence in REAL negotiation he would have get less for that comparing to a buyer from a lower league.

why is that like that, is a first pick of a div 1 different from a first pick of a div 5? No it is the same.

No it is not the same.
Buying BOSH (a German equipment) equipment in German will cost much less than in Israel.
Buying an apple in an area full of apple fields own by different suppliers (just so you could understand), will cost less than buying it in a City.
Buying a Draft-pick from a team that will throw/sell it anyhow gives less leverage to the draft-pick's owner.

Anyone that has no interest can understand that.

no interest in economic, thinking etc? Or did you go to a shop, and try to get a apple cheaper in saying buying another apple for the same quality for the same price. Also the super market don't raise the price of the apples, since you walk in with a suit and not in jeans and look like you had money.

The super market will not give a different price per person that buys a small quantity.
But, if you will go and try to bargain in shops, they will act differently if there are competitors near them.

Oh, I have another good example.
You are going to the market, and they are about to close the shop to the WE.
They have APPLES. They need to sell it today, as they have no reason to hold it, and keeping it another day will mean they will need to throw them away anyhow, or pay for place to hold them.
What they will do is that, they will lower the price as a discount for last minute sell.

The current bid that is needed to be overbid will be calculated from the seller POV - meaning that now the draft-pick will carry his value for that player.

think about it, the "offered" player has it value independ of his team who own it.

And now you are saying that the team owns it needs to be viewed. You contradicts yourself.
Anyhow, I wrote (in the previous message) that the place a team is being at will be calculated to the value of the draft-pick (as well as the league they are).
And as it seems that you are keep going back and forth, I will again write down that I've also wrote that it may define that in order to define it in a proper way, this draft-pick option may be turn valid only after few weeks for the beginning of the season.
Also in the NBA, you can never know what will happen at the end of the year when one is trading a draft-pick at the start/middle of the year.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 1/7/2012 1:27:03 PM

Trading draft picks is simply not reasonable in open leagues. And unrealistic, unmanageable.

Yes it is.

No it is not the same.
Buying BOSH (a German equipment) equipment in German will cost much less than in Israel.
Buying an apple in an area full of apple fields own by different suppliers (just so you could understand), will cost less than buying it in a City.
Buying a Draft-pick from a team that will throw/sell it anyhow gives less leverage to the draft-pick's owner.

we have the amount of draft picks in every league, so the supply should be the same ;) And if you offer a draft pick, you are willing to sell him and then the price is indepent of the team who own it. Cause you have trouble with indepent, it means it don't play a role.

The super market will not give a different price per person that buys a small quantity.
But, if you will go and try to bargain in shops, they will act differently if there are competitors near them.

yes they will, but not when you say i don't give you 5$ i go to the other shop and buy it there for 6.

And when the shoüp have two offer for the apple, he will take the better which is the 10$ note instead of the five(even if the people who is givng the 5$ note is from a lower league). You could bet on it. And that the way BB is bargaining.

If you really say, the top division need it less, then the price should drop if you offer your draft pick instead of money to this team, and raise if you offer the lower div team. Since they rate this payment method higher, which makes more sense in taking the worse offer depending on the league who made it.

quite difficult to reach.
thnaks for sharing.

everything that is adding creatvity at this boring Look-inside engine is appreciated

we have the amount of draft picks in every league, so the supply should be the same ;) And if you offer a draft pick, you are willing to sell him and then the price is indepent of the team who own it. Cause you have trouble with indepent, it means it don't play a role.

You are looking from the seller POV, as if he doesn't know what he can get when he is trying to close a deal with the team in front of him.

You are looking from the seller POV, as if he doesn't know what he can get when he is trying to close a deal with the team in front of him.

So, the seller has some input about the value of the draft pick then? Now I am getting even more confused what this suggestion is about. Care to elaborate on anything regarding (205938.10)?

we have the amount of draft picks in every league, so the supply should be the same ;) And if you offer a draft pick, you are willing to sell him and then the price is indepent of the team who own it. Cause you have trouble with indepent, it means it don't play a role.

You are looking from the seller POV, as if he doesn't know what he can get when he is trying to close a deal with the team in front of him.

So now i am going on the sellers point of view:

Team A sells player X
Div 5 team offers 40.000 and a first round pick
Div 1 team offers 50.000 and a first round pick

(both team finished the same place in the league)

So you as a seller would take the second round pick? I would be pretty pissed if a sell a player, and the div 5 team overbid the div 1 team with that offer.

As a seller i would maybe ask the div 5 team, hey if you bid 52.000 you get him but i would never choose is offer over the other one.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/7/2012 4:51:26 PM

They say "Third time is a charm", but I'm not sure that explaining to those who hold their foot at the door with purpose has a chance. But I'll give it a try.

1) The auction system is defined as a simple bidding system.
That is due to the fact that money is the only thing involved.

But, the action performed when selling a player in the real world is bargaining.
A team who sells a player knows what a draft-pick worth to the team who tries to buy it.
Hence they know that they can value it for less in a deal with that team.
"Carmelo will leave the team anyhow next summer, we will not give you a all-star player, but a little bit less".

2) We can also look at it for another POV;
Let's say that we agree that a draft-pick option is something that should be added (as an option) to a deal. I don't see why not.
Now we need to ask ourselves - should a buyer who value draft players less, as can be seen by comparing different divisions team's rosters, should get the same value for his draft pick?
The answer is NO.
They are NOT the poor teams that needs to get more for something they NEVER used.
[By getting the same as the one who do use it, it means that they getting MORE.]

1) The auction system is defined as a simple bidding system.
That is due to the fact that money is the only thing involved.

But, the action performed when selling a player in the real world is bargaining.
A team who sells a player knows what a draft-pick worth to the team who tries to buy it.
Hence they know that they can value it for less in a deal with that team.
"Carmelo will leave the team anyhow next summer, we will not give you a all-star player, but a little bit less".

I think Melo and Paul was traded for a good value, but yes it is true you get less when the product have less worth since he haven't a contract. But i am sure denver and New orleans heard all interest and then take the best offer for them, and not the the worst offer they get ;)

Are auctions in israel really like that, we got a bid above 5$ would someone else bid 4$ to "overbid" him? I am pretty sure those auctionars go bancrupt pretty fast.

You really prefer to take less money when you sell something???