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Staff payment should not be payed during off-season

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223524.12 in reply to 223524.11
Date: 8/14/2012 1:25:22 AM
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The players are still playing for my team and their performance assist selling merch this season.
The players are still practicing with the trainer to get better, instead of getting to the beach.
The injuries in off-season are much lower in practice, yet you pay full price to the stuff and none to the players.
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223524.14 in reply to 223524.13
Date: 8/14/2012 2:08:26 AM
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Not in real life.
The intensity is minor compared to a competitive game.

And in BB, there is a RESET for the injuries at the start of the new season, so it is even less reasonable to pay the doctors.

And once again - the players does not get a payment, and they play for their team.
Even a player that is just being tested under a few-days contract get paid!

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223524.15 in reply to 223524.10
Date: 8/14/2012 2:19:09 AM
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Let's focus on one thing because it becomes a repetition of the same point over and over without relating to what I wrote.

Let's repeat what you've wrote (in a sence):
The players does not work for this season, they prepare for next season, and trying to get better salary.
The PR is preparing for next season, not for current. In case they will do a better job, they will keep their job.

Is it just me but or that it sounds the same state but different conclusion?...

It's a funny fact that YOU are constantly bringing the same exact answer to whoever tries to make you see how much you're wrong...

Again: the players train for themselves as much as for the team where the PR only works for the team. You get the difference don't you? Tell me you do please...

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223524.16 in reply to 223524.15
Date: 8/14/2012 2:33:45 AM
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Let's focus on one thing because it becomes a repetition of the same point over and over without relating to what I wrote.

Let's repeat what you've wrote (in a sence):
The players does not work for this season, they prepare for next season, and trying to get better salary.
The PR is preparing for next season, not for current. In case they will do a better job, they will keep their job.

Is it just me but or that it sounds the same state but different conclusion?...

It's a funny fact that YOU are constantly bringing the same exact answer to whoever tries to make you see how much you're wrong...

Again: the players train for themselves as much as for the team where the PR only works for the team. You get the difference don't you? Tell me you do please...

I guess that the players during season keeps playing for themselves too - next seasons contract.
While their trainers will not show better performane next season due to the practice they are carying on, and that will not affect how they will be presented as trainers...

From the second it becomes silly to pay someone for a period of time, it means that the design is wrong.
Why would a team pay for a PR / Doctor (and/or trainer in a sence) during the off-season [At least when buying a new is cheaper than just keeping current staff]?
There is no reason and hence the market, any market, will make this payment removed.
It is just the way a market works.

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223524.18 in reply to 223524.17
Date: 8/14/2012 3:32:43 AM
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Again the repetition of the sentence
This is not real life, this is a game
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And once again I will need to repeat that then let's stop the three pointers, the fouls and the money issue. This is "just a game".

This is not "just a game", but this is a BB-managing game.

At the hundred time - the injuries are reset in this game before the new season starts.
In the real world - the payment for the players and the staff is or by month (including any month they are on court), of at the start of the season (one paycheck).

When a market has no sense, it adapts by its own.
The adaptation will happen by the users themselves (by firing the staff at this time), and will make all this current state ridiculous.

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223524.19 in reply to 223524.18
Date: 8/14/2012 7:29:27 AM
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First - I'm glad you've opened this suggestion in Suggestions and not in bug, well done.

Second - I think as mentioned here before that we shouldn't compare between players and staff salaries. Teams paid players and staff salaries a few seasons back. BB made a change, letting teams avoid players salary in case they don't have an official game this week. This change was made not in order to make this game more realistic or less realistic, it was made as an economic adjustment as many teams found them self in an economic problem when they finished 5th or 8th in the league.

This change had a side effect. It made 5th place a "better" place (At least in the short run - as BB argue that 4th and 3rd place have a positive effect in terms of fans for next seasons)

Letting teams who don't have an official game this week not pay staff salary will only increase the above side effect, letting teams that finish 5th a greater advantage.

As I see it, this game is an online manager game for basketball - It tries to simulate a new "World" of basketball and it has it's own rules. There are many examples of differences between real basketball and BB - not everyone of them is a bug / something that needs to be fixed.


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223524.21 in reply to 223524.19
Date: 8/14/2012 9:22:18 AM
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First - I'm glad you've opened this suggestion in Suggestions and not in bug, well done.
First - I first opened it in the bug forum (where it is belonged). This is a feature as the "blue screens" are a Microsoft feature...

Second - I think as mentioned here before that we shouldn't compare between players and staff salaries. Teams paid players and staff salaries a few seasons back. BB made a change, letting teams avoid players salary in case they don't have an official game this week. This change was made not in order to make this game more realistic or less realistic, it was made as an economic adjustment as many teams found them self in an economic problem when they finished 5th or 8th in the league.
This does not contradicts the fact that the staff salaries could be removed as well from those same weeks.

This change had a side effect. It made 5th place a "better" place (At least in the short run - as BB argue that 4th and 3rd place have a positive effect in terms of fans for next seasons)

Letting teams who don't have an official game this week not pay staff salary will only increase the above side effect, letting teams that finish 5th a greater advantage.
Not doing that keeps the surely exist side affect where the payment is irrationable.
A case where the market fires their staff (and that will be the right decision for a large part of the community at this case), means that the market is "broken", does not behave rationally, and needs a fix.

As I see it, this game is an online manager game for basketball - It tries to simulate a new "World" of basketball and it has it's own rules. There are many examples of differences between real basketball and BB - not everyone of them is a bug / something that needs to be fixed.
This one is a bug.
Not doing that, while the notion of firing at this case is being spread, will cause a storm of selling-buying of staff with no real reason doing so... except this bug.

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223524.22 in reply to 223524.21
Date: 8/14/2012 9:39:30 AM
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First - I first opened it in the bug forum (where it is belonged). This is a feature as the "blue screens" are a Microsoft feature...


Well in a personal note, lucky you are not the ruler of all and you don't decide what is a bug and what is a feature. not here at least. Maybe in Microsoft... In case you want to decide that you can try and build your own online game or try and join BB development team - they were hiring way back...

Second - I think as mentioned here before that we shouldn't compare between players and staff salaries. Teams paid players and staff salaries a few seasons back. BB made a change, letting teams avoid players salary in case they don't have an official game this week. This change was made not in order to make this game more realistic or less realistic, it was made as an economic adjustment as many teams found them self in an economic problem when they finished 5th or 8th in the league.
This does not contradicts the fact that the staff salaries could be removed as well from those same weeks.


read next paragraphs - you quoting what ever is comfortable for you to make a silly point is not making that point valid.

Not doing that keeps the surely exist side affect where the payment is irrationable.
A case where the market fires their staff (and that will be the right decision for a large part of the community at this case), means that the market is "broken", does not behave rationally, and needs a fix.


I agree - a case where a market fires their staff as you explained is not neutral and might need to be fixed. I don't agree your suggestion is the right fix as it will have other effects as I wrote above.

This one is a bug.
Not doing that, while the notion of firing at this case is being spread, will cause a storm of selling-buying of staff with no real reason doing so... except this bug.


As I explained and many other managers explained this is not a bug. You writing that it is a bug won't make it a bug even if you'll write it again and again.

I doubt the current situation will cause a "storm of selling-buying" of staff as you wrote but some may indeed take advantage of this behavior.



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