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Very interesting game...

i thought puting guard on C is past.. will see if it was becose of metalist´s or becose of tehran´s players.

Yes it's interesting, but hardly surprising. It's been only a matter of time before someone breaks through with uniquely trained players who switch positions between offense and defense which is the next step after Look inside IMO. That said, I don't think I love Tehran will be able to win B3 with these players, but it's one of the second steps into post-Look inside era. The first one I believe was made by Czech's NT manager and his uniquely trained players, but nobody was taking notes, at least not on forums, because it's NT and not a personal team.

EDIT: Btw, the game was not won by Tehran solely because of tactics he chose, although with these type of players, I don't think he could win with any other tactic. He had more than 20 extra possessions compared to Metallist Kharkov because of his turnovers (17 to 7) and Tehran's offensive rebounds (18 to 4). Without these two, Tehran probably loses.

Last edited by Koperboy at 12/6/2012 3:50:55 AM

I'm not sure if this has been suggested, but could having a swiss-system tournament instead of random draw solve this issue?

Well for centers, you have to do this:

Lots of ID, RB and 1 on 1 for SF/PF
Then lots of PA

And that's it. They play on PG/SG in offense and PF/C on defense.

For outside players:

Lots of 1 on 1 for SF/PF, JS and OD (and a bit of PA and JR)
Then lots of IS

Basically you take a traditional skill from every position and switch it up between them (IS for inside players, PA for outside players) while also lowering salaries. So PA goes to inside players and IS goes to outside players. Not to mention you don't need HoFs for that; MVP is more than enough, and Superstar is also ok in some cases.

I posted an idea like this two seasons ago without fearing anyone would copy it because I knew everyone and their mother are so fixated on Look inside. There are some teams that are exceptions to this, but they are already working on their idea.

That said, I don't say my idea is the best and I will beat LI easily. I'm working on it and will see the results after 5-6 seasons. That's why I'm so excited about it - it's something new noone else tried and maybe it will work.

Last edited by Koperboy at 12/6/2012 4:53:00 AM

For this to workout all players must have RB...cuz if they are playing bigs on offence or defence (one or the other) and switching on the other end...for 1/2 the game they determine rebound rate...

But you determine the rebound rate for other 1/2 of the game...yes, the outside players who will play on PF and C in offense won't have any offensive rebounds, but your inside players, who occupy PG and SG position, will!

RB is the most expensive inside skill for players listed as guards....IF their IS/ID/RB all go high...or any of them....then SB also adds salary (and they list as SF...depending on the build)]

The plan for a guard is to have no more than 7 in all inside skills except IS.

the only way though for that player to not end up listing as PG is to keep down his JS/HA/DR....which highly limits his offence...which can be ok in a patient...so I can see working taht angle a bit.....

By keeping down his JS and especially his OD, the player won't ever be listed as a PG, so you can train his PA to 20 if you want. HA and DR without OD above 10 also won't make any impact on salary.
Take a C with these skills (salary ~115k):

7, 7
7, 1
1, 1
10, 18
18, 10

Salary stays the same if HA, DR and PA are either 1 or 18 (all three at once of course). When you go to 19, he changes to PG and his salary goes up 20%. However, the key is to keep down OD and JS.

Last edited by Koperboy at 12/6/2012 5:25:03 AM