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296648.12 in reply to 296648.9
Date: 10/28/2018 2:49:10 PM
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OK fair enough because I ask for some noise here! Respect about your point of view.

This is not about my team but I can tell you a few things..

First of all, I'm really focused and active here, so focused that I realized before you, that one of the candidates is not who tells everyone he is. So, if you look at our future with same eyes you use to look at your rivals, maybe you need to be more focused too.

Also, you´re aware of the training plan of my team and judge it because you saw.. ONE MATCH?
You didn´t be that worried in lasts two seasons while we didn´t have any thread, comments, news, etc about our U21. You were NT manager too and what about it? Nothing.

You talk very much about experience and I think that´s not EVERYTHING. You took NT because of that (you said) but we don't know much about your results.. you are very active but still we have empty forums..

Again, I respect your opinion and disagree about it, but let´s the SG Community decide on this.


From: LDS
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Date: 10/28/2018 10:42:12 PM
LionDash
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To all, I can understand debate can be gone different direction. Everyone just need to claim down abit.
Experience is not a focus point on this election. Everyone here is consider a new manager. Kwan just started season 41, God Dam Bee season 42. Tampiness fusion even younger, season 43. If talk about experience and record, might as well vote for that italy guy?

Everyone can brag their history when they started BB how they come back here after years/season. To me, I really don't care. I based on BB record and believe what has mention in TEAM HISTORY section. If braging history helps, I can say I started in season 1, has win a B3 champ, created buzzer manager website and J-Lion is my childhood fren so I come to play. You get what I means do u?

Training forumla is never wrong so long have proven result. I myself sometime do train 48min for a player. Game manual does say this works too. Everyone has their own forumla of training a player to a NT level they like. Gamer like us likes to play BB is because we can grow a player to a style based on our own forumla to win game. Like some people likes to make a Leborn game type player than kawhi leonard player. A NT21 manager should understand from the other manager what kind of player they intend to make then from there mix and match into the team you need to win games.

For playing mutiple foreign account thing, I believe admin/Gm can take care of this matter. Too bad I won't know the deleted message and I not really wan to know full story. I myself do agasint playing mutiple foreign account thing. To my stand everyone is innocent till proven. For SHP, I can understand you want to help your friend or such but then this election is his not yours. You might have some secret tool for him but then if is not recongize by the community then he need to do some work for it.

My requirement for NT21 is this:
- I like manager who can commuicate with the community well. As a NT21 manager, your duty is at least check with them their plan and such. There are player not reside in SBBL as well.
- Provide update for upcoming matches or updates for adding new player is good. Like a real press conference or such can be fun for the community as well. I can understand we got our own life/commitment in outside world and might have no time for such. BUT do not stay radio silence for whole fishing season!
- Do not give up on low potiental player. I have seem (J-Lion) work with a manager to train a potenital 7 PF to be our NT 21 star player with 90k salary at the start of age 22. Some team really got bad luck in choosing player.
- Alot of work need to be done for new NT 21(everyone should know the reason). Some things will not be solve in one/two season. By the end of renewal of NT 21, we will watch your work and decide to believe you or not. At least do something. Do not just put your player in NT21 just because is good potential?
- Do not be selfish!!! I know that if your player get into NT squad your money increase. However, if your own player is not ready for big show then choose other people! Rewards should be given to other team who train hard for the player and can bring value to the team.
- Save fellow good potential from bot. Some team might go bot, if that happen do save them.

Lastly to those candidate, if you did not win or such, do work with the winner and such and continue work with the community. Who knows you can be the next NT 21 head coach? To Current NT coach SHP. no matter who win do work with him to save our NT.

PS: Do not ask me to join what trainer/scout/reporter for you. I play like a freelancer, if free will add news for the community. I am a bad trainer which need more practice.

From: LDS

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296648.14 in reply to 296648.13
Date: 10/28/2018 10:48:41 PM
LionDash
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Welcome to Sg community, J-Lion from last known is gone for his own life. I do feel he is back in one of the team. Not sure how long you have been missing but over the years BB do make some improvement on the training logic, arena, tactics logic. Make yourself at home and join them maybe in SBBL forum. since most of us is there making noise XD

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Date: 10/29/2018 12:50:46 AM
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Glad to see you here. You are a real candidate at least :)

Bro, you're right about something, the elected one would coordinate training plans for players who will be in the U21 and/or senior NT, that is a two-manager job and that´s why a good communication will be a MUST. Even if XP is low, can be replaced by a strong team job with coach and community.

I received an offer from a manager who really wants to cooperate with me, but I told him that would be great for SG if he keeps free to join the elected one. I´m pretty sure he will be such a big help for any of us.
We are just a few and we need to stick together to make a step ahead for SG NTs.


From: japanguro

To: LDS
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Date: 10/29/2018 1:19:11 AM
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Wow men! I think your post is simply awesome.

A NT21 manager should understand from the other manager what kind of player they intend to make then from there mix and match into the team you need to win games.


I wanna keep with this quote, it can´t be better. NT coaches doesn´t MAKE a training plan for a player who is not on your roster. He adds, helps, recommends, etc. Makes better what the owner do with his player in a context of his own team plan, and try to take advantage of that result for the NTs. This is a team game, not an NT game. First comes first.

Lastly to those candidate, if you did not win or such, do work with the winner and such and continue work with the community. Who knows you can be the next NT 21 head coach? To Current NT coach SHP. no matter who win do work with him to save our NT.


And this one too. That's the key IMO, we need to make even more good coaches than good players, we're just a few and this will not have inmediate results, if we start now, results will be visible in 3, 4 or more seasons. So, we all need each other to build that up, a continuous job sustainable in time.

From: BuzzRBeater

To: LDS
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296648.17 in reply to 296648.14
Date: 10/29/2018 1:45:43 AM
Tampines Fusion
SBBL
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Second Team:
ActiveSG Basketball Academy
Thanks for the warm welcome. I think I left in early season 30s. But gosh, things sure have changed. There are so many scouting options (used to be just two) and there's this new staff thingy, and blank lineup LI is no longer as effective as it used to be... Takes a lot to catch back.

That said, I do agree that experience doesn't really matter in this case. Frankly speaking being a U21 manager is totally different from a club manager - as long as you can tank and be rich enough to buy a super team, you're already halfway there. But sadly you can't do this in the U21, especially with a micronation like Singapore where you have limited resources.

It would be great if both candidates came up with a "blueprint" of how to handle the U21. Do correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't been in this community long enough to know if such a system is in place, but this is important if we want continuity.

Basically as a U21 manager, communication is important (and yes you all have mentioned about reports), but other than communication in terms of NT reports etc, the U21 manager would also have to build rapport with the managers (especially those in div II) to help with drafting good players so that the good ones don't go to waste. Excel spreadsheet, Google forms - all these can be used as a database for players.

I do agree with LDS over not overlooking low potential players (tho it depends on how low, I'm sure we don't want a BB developer potential player on the list xD ) - we certainly don't have the luxury of doing that here. I've been quite off the U21 scene for a few years, but back then I would have a minimum potential of star on my shortlist, while loosely keeping an eye on starters (happened once, we had an injury crisis, and I had a starter who was good enough to fill a bench role). I'm not sure about now, but low potential players (star, all-star) can be built as pretty one dimensional players (3 skills C's anyone?) without worrying about affecting the NT. Iirc monoskilled players tend to eat up their potential faster, but it's also the fastest one to build and you'd have a solid player for your team pretty fast (I mean, you probably can get a multiskilled SF by the age of... 21 maybe? But you probably got a decent U21 ready C at 20.)

Not sure how the transition between the old coach and the new coach will be, but judging by the current roster and last season's roster, we might have to rebuild a player database. The only way we can do that is by scouring through the drafts of Div I and II. Iirc there's a period before U21 enthusiasm resets (can't remember when), so you can actually call them up then drop them after noting down their skills.

Also we might want to have some "NT farms". Legit ones, I mean, not by cheating. This might be kinda hard (considering our headcount), but back then I was able to get a couple of div II teams to consistently produce U21 players for me. Tho with 20 players I don't really think we have much chances in convincing anyone unless there is someone who is willing to take one for the team (coz this way everyone has a shot in SBBL and probably won't stay in div II for more than a season unless they're purposely tanking). I for one, would probably convert my own team into one (until I get rich enough to decide to get competitive one day), once I get proper prospects and a proper trainer.

That said, talk is easy. I personally admit that I don't really have time to invest into this at the moment (so again I'll discourage y'all from voting for me, I just joined in for fun, I don't even have a vote since my current team is not even 4 weeks old xD ). But I can work together with the next U21 manager if needed. My ideas might have worked with a 50 to 60 pax community, but I'm not so sure how it'll fit into our current community. So I guess it's up to both candidates for coming up with something better

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Date: 10/29/2018 2:02:01 AM
Tampines Fusion
SBBL
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ActiveSG Basketball Academy
Glad to see you here. You are a real candidate at least :)

Bro, you're right about something, the elected one would coordinate training plans for players who will be in the U21 and/or senior NT, that is a two-manager job and that´s why a good communication will be a MUST. Even if XP is low, can be replaced by a strong team job with coach and community.

I received an offer from a manager who really wants to cooperate with me, but I told him that would be great for SG if he keeps free to join the elected one. I´m pretty sure he will be such a big help for any of us.
We are just a few and we need to stick together to make a step ahead for SG NTs.

Hahaha I guess you can't really consider me a real candidate since I'm not really serious in competing (and neither am I ready). But rest assure I can cooperate whoever who wins. Pretty undecided on who is the best player to lead us but since I can't vote I don't have to worry much about that and just be a kepoh xD

Last edited by BuzzRBeater at 10/29/2018 2:02:38 AM

From: Molin
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296648.19 in reply to 296648.11
Date: 10/29/2018 6:22:58 AM
U.S. Castello
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Hi to everyone, i’m from Italy and i’m not a multiuser ... ;-D

I candidate myself because, after many years, i need a new interesting challenge and it will be perfect. I can’t promise dreams, World Cup or something similar ... the only things that i promise to u21 team of Singapore will be the maximum presence every day and a complete collaboration with NT coach for planning future.

I’m not Pat Riley and i’m not from Singapore but i’ll work hard if you choose me as U21 coach.

Any questions are welcome ... sorry for my english :-D

From: Kwan

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Date: 10/29/2018 7:02:41 AM
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I'm bored with false accusations. I do not have a multi-account. Everything has an explanation that nobody cares about, but I pay here with a Singapore paypal account. I pay so that people like Japanguro can play for free. Someone may think that if I was not interested my team would pay the supporter. The next time he accuses me of cheating I will denounce him. And I do not intend to say anything more. As you will see, this message is directed to BB-Charles.
By the way, the only supporter of the entire community.
Japanguro "Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta"

Last edited by Kwan at 10/29/2018 7:07:15 AM

From: HassanL

To: Kwan
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Date: 10/29/2018 11:28:10 AM
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I saw your deleted message and I only have one word to pronounce.

MORON

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Date: 10/29/2018 11:59:23 AM
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I only have one word to pronounce.
LIAR

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