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66017.12 in reply to 66017.11
Date: 1/2/2009 3:21:36 PM
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thank you

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66017.13 in reply to 66017.12
Date: 1/3/2009 10:56:40 AM
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I agree totally with Gunner here. I don't see any disadvantages—nor advantages either for that matter—with having the stats available. I too have done this manually—with interesting results—but I don't believe it would be that hard for BB to do it. One of Gunner's points can be shown by thinking of some college teams. Because they play such a slowdown offense—think U. of Wisconsin—their defense ppg is very low. Now, are they that good defenders—maybe yes, maybe no—or is simplky a function of a very slow offense. Other stats are possibly mor telling. E.g.. what %age of 3FG made by your opponents might confirm (or not) how good your OD is. Many other stats—number of FTS, rebounding margin, total fouls, etc—give a manger some nice info...Pappy

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66017.14 in reply to 66017.13
Date: 1/3/2009 2:18:40 PM
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A point to consider in this discussion is at what point do we simply make all the data freely available and let someone else come up with a site to crunch all these numbers? Although some calculations aren't expensive, it does take a considerable amount of resources to keep the site optimized and running well as we grow. Theoretically this is a simple calculation, and certainly the computer could do it, but if we added many such calculations our servers would begin to clog down....

anyway.. im not trying to argue we can't do this for load issues.. but i'm wondering if its better to just invest our efforts in the publicly available interface, given our limited development resources.

edit: i would also point out that with a little perl scripting this information could already be automatically pulled from the site.

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66017.15 in reply to 66017.14
Date: 1/3/2009 2:28:11 PM
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Thanks for your prompt reply. I think that you point out some pertinent info, not the least of which is the growing number of managers who play this great game. And so I yield to your—and the other BB developers—good judgment on this point. I believe that you ARE right—there are other greater priorities. Thanks again...Pappy

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66017.16 in reply to 66017.14
Date: 1/4/2009 12:51:05 PM
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that with a little perl scripting this information could already be automatically pulled from the site.


/perks up

OK, now I have a little project to do with my BBAPI perl library during the football games. Woo.

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66017.17 in reply to 66017.1
Date: 1/5/2009 7:54:11 AM
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FWIW, I've added opponent stats support to my own little personal Team Prospectus script. Here's you:

Dog River Riverdogs (24118), Pappy ODaniel
7-6, 4th place (Great 8, II.4, USA)
(Differential +69, Pythagorean record: 8.4-4.6)

Game strategy (16 competitive matches):
* Offense: Push the Ball 6, Look Inside 5, Motion 3, Run and Gun 2
* Defense: 2-3 Zone 10, Man to Man 4, 3-2 Zone 2
* Enthusiasm: 5 less (0 TIE vs CT), 8 equal, 3 more (0 CT vs TIE)

Overall stats:
* DOG: 41.0 FG%, 29.2 3P%, 58.0 REB (14.8 O), 17.8 A, 4.9 ST, 9.6 TO, 12.8 PF
* Opp: 40.4 FG%, 23.7 3P%, 48.9 REB (10.4 O), 18.8 A, 6.1 ST, 6.8 TO, 18.1 PF

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66017.18 in reply to 66017.17
Date: 1/5/2009 12:30:45 PM
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Try me with the script.


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66017.19 in reply to 66017.17
Date: 1/5/2009 4:44:38 PM
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Thank you very much for the information and for the work that you have done! I'm not exactly sure what all of the information means but it is impressive. Is it possible to tell me what the Pythagorean record might mean? Thanks again...Pappy

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66017.20 in reply to 66017.18
Date: 1/5/2009 4:57:28 PM
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Try me with the script.


OK. BTW, I won't necessarily be answering all requests from here on.

Tampa Bay Crackers (32508), Joao.Calmon
8-5, 3rd place (Great 8, II.4, Brasil)
(Differential +39, Pythagorean record: 7.6-5.4)

Game strategy (19 competitive matches):
* Offense: Look Inside 12, Base Offense 7
* Defense: 2-3 Zone 12, Man to Man 7
* Enthusiasm: 13 less (0 TIE vs CT), 4 equal, 2 more (0 CT vs TIE)

Overall stats:
* TAM: 42.5 FG%, 25.2 3P%, 61.1 REB (17.7 O), 14.8 A, 4.4 ST, 8.6 TO, 15.4 PF
* Opp: 38.1 FG%, 27.8 3P%, 46.9 REB (11.0 O), 16.8 A, 5.6 ST, 6.7 TO, 19.6 PF

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66017.21 in reply to 66017.19
Date: 1/5/2009 5:00:30 PM
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Thank you very much for the information and for the work that you have done! I'm not exactly sure what all of the information means but it is impressive. Is it possible to tell me what the Pythagorean record might mean? Thanks again...Pappy


I had done most of the work already... I've been using this tool as part of occasional previews/reviews I write up on the Canada conferences. I spent a little time adding the stats section.

Here's some info on Pythogorean records: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_expectation). For BB, I eyeballed an exponent of 10.

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66017.22 in reply to 66017.21
Date: 1/5/2009 6:11:15 PM
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Okay, I'm just voicing my support for showing Opponents Stats on our Team Stats page. I think it's very useful. I can figure out average points per game from the Standings page with very simple math, but I don't really know how I've gotten to these scoring averages and what part of my game needs the most fixing overall. (Am I shooting at a higher percentage than my opposition? If not, maybe I'm getting more rebounds and more FG attempts? Maybe my low turnover stats are a product the type of offense I'm running? Are my opponents' turnovers also low? What about the team I'm playing next, how do they stack up against their opposition? Are they turning the ball over a lot? Do they out-rebound their opponents? What defense will I need to run to slow them down? What offense looks like it will work against such a team? etc.)

Don't ask what sort of Chunks they are, you probably don't want to know. Blowing Chunks since Season 4!