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The honest crux of the issue is that Shotblocking needs an overhaul to correct the distribution and add the intuitive parts of the game that shotblocking creates. "Changing the shot" and Changing shot selection to account for the games big shot blockers.

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Steve
Bruins

The shot blocking skill can be useful.

Just look at the leading blocker in Slovakia. A $50k center. I know he plays against inferior centers all the time but a high blocking skill can lead to a high average of blocks per game.

but this is pretty rare, so that this numbers wasn't the result of his skill and the result of random when he making more then 1,5 per game - it is hard to see who you mean.

And for this 1,5 blocks the salary is extrem, so it is disadvantegeous to train it.

He averages 2,5 blocks per game but I think he has a lot of blocks due to playing against weaker centers than his high SB skill being useful.

All I wanted to say that SB isn't absolutely useless.

i know SB 13/14 Center swith around 1 Block per game ;) If you use Josef Ka formula they pay 15-60k Salary for this one block, so i don't believe thats make then stronger.

Blocks now aren't worth the salary increase they dish out.

I'm still all for the overhaul on a 'shot alteration' mechanism dependant on the distance from the basket.

I go to many NBA games, like maybe 15 a year, and I watch another 30 on TV. People get thier shots blocked all of the time and it doesnt mean they wont shoot anymore or they are scared. I saw Howard block Garnett pretty strong one game and Garnett went off after that, scoring 38 points with 16 boards.


Imagine the uproar and complaints of people training inside players when SB is made more relevant. OMG will people cry

Because we are discussing it a lot in the season 10 thread, maybe we should better resurect this one ;)

Even without seeing the full effect of the new change the blocking numbers, doesn't seem to legimate the high salary you pay for this skill.

So i try to outline possible solutions, well knowing that they all ain't perfect:

1. Reducing salary + potential influence:

Maybe the easiest way to fix it, without punishing players for abdicate the blocking skill. The disadvantage of this, that we have still a useless skill and also a useless training which could mislead players to train it with the hope that it has an effect besides the small amount of blocks.

2. Merge it with inside Defence

Blocking is also in RL a part of the defence under the basket, so we could give a bonus on the inside Defence additional to the small effect on the blocks. The bad side it, that we will have to skills, for the same propose and a taff decision about the balanced.
Maybe you have other idea's to bring Blocking into account, without merging the skills?

3. Shot Blockers avoiding shots near to the basket

You will get less shot near the basket against a shot blocker, but maybe Steve Karenn could explain that more in detail.

In my opinion very low value of shotblocking should result in more fouls. Shot blocking is about timing and decision making, when to jump and when to stay put. Jumping in the wrong time will give the offensive player an easy opportunity to draw the foul.

You had some example of a ID 14/ SB 2, or something, the way i see it the guy would jump on anything and would not last long before geting fould out.

Because we are discussing it a lot in the season 10 thread, maybe we should better resurect this one ;)

Even without seeing the full effect of the new change the blocking numbers, doesn't seem to legimate the high salary you pay for this skill.

So i try to outline possible solutions, well knowing that they all ain't perfect:

1. Reducing salary + potential influence:

Maybe the easiest way to fix it, without punishing players for abdicate the blocking skill. The disadvantage of this, that we have still a useless skill and also a useless training which could mislead players to train it with the hope that it has an effect besides the small amount of blocks.

2. Merge it with inside Defence

Blocking is also in RL a part of the defence under the basket, so we could give a bonus on the inside Defence additional to the small effect on the blocks. The bad side it, that we will have to skills, for the same propose and a taff decision about the balanced.
Maybe you have other idea's to bring Blocking into account, without merging the skills?

3. Shot Blockers avoiding shots near to the basket

You will get less shot near the basket against a shot blocker, but maybe Steve Karenn could explain that more in detail.

As I yet explain in Global thread in a long discussion with CrazyEye,the first two way are some issues on their realization
The first proposal was unfair towards who make right training choises,and give recriminations entrance about all the sytem of salaries and potentiali for all the skills and all the roles
The second proposal doesn't have very much sense because if we have a skill called Inside Defence,why there could be another skill about the same thing?(and this is valid for someone's proposal of fouls,that yet has his hidden skill,and all the system of fouls at this point could be changed,and that's impossible)
I made another proposal,in this message after many post (93604.453)(discussion start early in that thread) and i want to explain it better.
Shot Blocking skill couldn't boost the defence of a player directly,but indirectly,influenced the chioses of the attacking team.A player who have fear to suffer a block from the adversary,will try to shoot a little far away from the basket.So,if a defender si a bad defender,he will continue to be a bad defender,but if a player is a good defender,the direct effect of Id(or Od for guadrs) and the indirect effect of SB gave him a great defensive ability.this solution don't penalize who in right way train ID,because the effect on salary and potential will be the same,gave the right importance to SB,which cannot be a primary skill as IS,ID and ReB,but could be a skill usful to train until a certain leve if a player has a good starting SB skill,without being obligatory to train for a player.Certain a level 14 in SB was useless,is useless,and will be useless also with the new changes,as the example of Chris Andersen in the real game(Denver Nuggets in NBA says)


Last edited by Steve Karenn at 7/31/2009 5:51:38 AM