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206156.122 in reply to 206156.121
Date: 2/2/2012 7:57:14 AM
Dodor Utd
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What I'd like to see changed is the fact that finishing 5th in the league is more profitable than finishing 4th (unless you get promoted). This makes no sense at all and is discouraging players from giving their best in every game.
In fact, even finishing 6th is probably more profitable since you get 1+1 home games.

And lastly, I think a Salary cap would do this game a world of good. A salary cap will increase competitiveness in the BBB competition and make it more interesting. It can be put high enough so that most of the teams won't be able to reach it. Seeing rosters with 1.5-2 million weekly salary however is ridiculous. This will also get rid of teams that tank for many many seasons, in order to pay these rosters.


p.s. I think we should rename the thread to Wishlist 2.

Last edited by Dodor at 2/2/2012 8:24:27 AM

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Date: 2/2/2012 4:52:48 PM
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What I'd like to see changed is the fact that finishing 5th in the league is more profitable than finishing 4th (unless you get promoted). This makes no sense at all and is discouraging players from giving their best in every game.
In fact, even finishing 6th is probably more profitable since you get 1+1 home games.



Very good point here. 5th is also more profitable then finishing 3rd.

Something could be done to completely revamp the playoff distribution income. Such as pool all the revenues from all the games (relegation included) and reward the teams more accordingly. Whatever is done, you shouldn't make more money for hosting a relegation series or finishing 5th then playing on the road in the actual playoffs. It only promotes tanking.

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Date: 2/2/2012 5:34:53 PM
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Very good point here. 5th is also more profitable then finishing 3rd.

Something could be done to completely revamp the playoff distribution income. Such as pool all the revenues from all the games (relegation included) and reward the teams more accordingly. Whatever is done, you shouldn't make more money for hosting a relegation series or finishing 5th then playing on the road in the actual playoffs. It only promotes tanking.


Totally agree. The no game-no salary rule is definitely flawed. I mean, what if a team plays away in playoffs? You still get almost no income, and pay full salaries. While 5th place teams pay none at all... BS.

If this rule is to stay, I say let both teams in the playoffs get the full amount of arena income. Teams in playouts can share a single arena income. This way 1-4th will be better off that 5th, and 5th will be better than 6-7th, and everyone will be motivated to finish higher.

Another option will be to get rid of this rule, and everyone pays 2 weeks salary, no arena income in playoffs, just fixed bonuses depending on finishing place.

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206156.125 in reply to 206156.124
Date: 2/2/2012 10:04:05 PM
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I dunno, the more I read this, the more things are not being put into perspective. You see, a team with low salary AND a huge arena finishes 5th would not get as much money as he did going into the playoffs. While a high salary team with small arena will "earn more" by saving on not having to pay salaries.

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Date: 2/2/2012 11:51:28 PM
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I dunno, the more I read this, the more things are not being put into perspective. You see, a team with low salary AND a huge arena finishes 5th would not get as much money as he did going into the playoffs. While a high salary team with small arena will "earn more" by saving on not having to pay salaries.


Sorry but you're flat out wrong. The 5th place team doesn't have to pay any salary for the week. The 3rd and 4th place teams get only 1/3 rd of the gate for most likely only 1 game and pay full salaries.

No matter what league/level you're in, you're far better off financially finishing 5th than 4th. It's not even debateable. If you find one single league where this wasn't the case, I'll stand corrected. I"m confident that you won't.

I'm a 4th place team, I'm in my league finals so I'm going to get to host 1 playoff game and I still would have been better off financially finishing 5th and paying no salaries for the entire playoffs. Sad but true.

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Date: 2/3/2012 12:37:44 AM
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This dude (52668) got less than the salary floor (100k). Finishes 5th, then he'd earn 100k from TV Contract (DII TV Contract is 100% salary floor). By not having to pay salary.

But

Had he finished 4th, he'd get 1/3 of the first game of this guy (52708)

Who in the game against the fourth placed team in his conference had attendance like this:
Bleachers: 17488 x $13
Lower Tier: 2347 x $44
Courtside Seat: 487 x $133
Lux Boxes: 24 x 1000

Total gate receipts: $419 383

Divide that into three: 139 794 and change.

So finish fourth that week would have earned him $139 794
Finished fifth made him earn only $100k

So I proved you wrong.

edit: edited number of courtside seats

Last edited by Ashurri at 2/3/2012 12:39:05 AM

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Date: 2/3/2012 12:48:52 AM
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Skip to the another league, where this guy [team=52659 ]his game in the quarters netted $369 020. Divide that into three you know it's still more than 100k. Bah I made my point.

Edit: the fifth placed guy had salary to pay of 100k.

Last edited by Ashurri at 2/3/2012 12:50:11 AM

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Date: 2/3/2012 5:57:05 AM
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Another 4th place finisher here

Salaries $ 254 900
League Playoff Game $ 122 361

equals minus $131,000 and change

5th place
no salaries or playoff game
I would have netted $120,000

Difference of more than $250,000

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Date: 2/3/2012 5:58:41 AM
Dodor Utd
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So what are you saying? If I finish third or fourth, I should sell all my best players and ruin my team to make a 10k income?
That's nonsense, and point far from proven. And btw, the salary floor in my league is higher than 1/3 of any arena income here.

It is obvious the system is flawed. BB solved one problem by creating another unfortunately.

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Date: 2/3/2012 6:48:41 AM
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No, I never implied that at all. I was just trying to put things into perspective, saying that sometimes it isn't always better to finish 5th than 4th. People are talking like 5th is always better. There can be exceptions. I've proven my point to Beener. And you're trying to make me sound like everyone should do that. But I did not. I'm just saying that there's a case where 4th might be better for some teams. They might not have a chance to beat the 1st seed, so just sell before the playoffs starts and they can earn much more than finishing fifth.

edit: i also don't mean to say teams should sell. there are already many teams operating with low salary.

Last edited by Ashurri at 2/3/2012 6:52:05 AM

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Date: 2/3/2012 7:05:37 AM
Dodor Utd
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Ok, maybe you found an exception that happens in 1 out of 20 leagues. That's not the point of the conversation. The fact is that finishing 3rd or 4rd earns you less money than finishing 5th or 6th in 95% of cases.

Last edited by Dodor at 2/3/2012 7:06:17 AM

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