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Se ve que Albertito esta tan salado que demora mucho en subir. Cambiale el entreno a ver que onda!! :)

Salu!

Hi Mike, thanks for stay here in our conference. (i play Hattrick for abour 4 years and never in the life a HT came to uruguayan conference).
It's good to see how you BB read all advices and are always making changes to make better the game. This is important for me, specially to make it atractive for new users (of course for you is also a bussiness).
I don't have things to say about the game, only wish you luck with this and we hope to read you here when Buzzerbeater reaches the 100.000 user :)

toy caliente hasta que no suba no cambio el entreno, ademas albertito es el termometro cuando el mejora se cambia el entreno

ALCAHUETE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Te acepte el amistoso....

Hi Mike!

I´ve a complain about the transfer process.

At this moment, if i start pushing for a player on sale, when i post mine offer automatically the player who´s selling gets mine money in his account. This shouldn´t happen.
I think that my money -on the buying process- shoul be delayed for the selling manager until the dead line of the buying-selling process has ocurred.
I´ve noticed of many managers whom rises and push up prices of their players in the market in real time.
As an example, i offer 200.000 for X player, the manager inmediatly rises the offer up to 250.000, again i offer 260.000 but the selling manager once more rises the offer up to 320.000, and he´s raising the offer with mine own money!!! He´s not just pushing up with the few dollars positive he could have in his balance. Wich i disagree is a fair transaction.

I belive that after a manager puts a player on sale, he should be able to push up prices ONLY with the money he has in his balance when he first set the price of the player. After that it´s the "free market" who sets the "right price". Otherwise will be getting a ficticious increment of player prices totally based in unfair speculation... wich in part leads to have the actual variations on "similar players" transferences from 300.000 up to 900.000 dollars.

Edit: By the way, this kind of speculation works in favour of the older, higer, powerful teams whom gets far higher economical benefits than the ones in II or III divisions and can afford those prices.

Hope mine idea is clear or understandable. And i´ll be glad if the ones asigned to set the economical bases of the game take note of this aspect of the game and correct it.

Last edited by Pablo1971 at 6/2/2008 7:36:33 PM

From what I have heard, many people like fact that we give sellers their money immediately, rather than making them wait until the end of the auction. They are guaranteed that money, so there is little reason to make them wait.

Your first point is about managers bidding on their own players. This does happen. In fact, almost 2% of all transfers are purchased by the seller. If a seller is bidding against you, it may mean that they are not serious about trying to sell their player. For you, it should be no different than bidding against any other buyer; you can stop bidding any time. In the end, routinely bidding on your own players is a bad strategy. When a seller ends up buying their own players, they pay a fee of at least 3%, and the fees for that player's next sale player immediately jump to 20% (or higher, if they have made many recent sales). Sellers who are not willing to sell their players for under a particular price are much better off if they just set a minimum price when they list the player.

Your second point is about the effect that managers buying their own players for inflated prices could have on the new precio estimado de transferencia. This is a very good point. Since you pointed this out, we have excluded all of these transfers from the data used for the estimates. This has already taken effect. Thanks.

BUENA PABLITO!!!! Sos casi un diseñador del juego ahora....

En fin, pido traduccion de lo que voy a decir. puedo entender lo que dicen, pero para hacerme comprender es mas dicifil.Gracias.

Ofertar por un jugador contra el equipo que es dueño, no es lo mismo que ofertar contra cualquiera, como vos decis. Simplemente porque una persona que no posee al jugado esta gastando el 100% de lo que oferta, mientras que la persona que es dueña de un jugador, al maximo gasta un 205 del total de la oferta, llegando a gastar solamente un 3%, por lo que aun ofertando por su jugador a niveles de millones de pesos, estaria arriesgando mucha menos plata, ya que la gran mayoria de esa oferta regresaria a si mismo, y por tanto, tiene mucho mas margen para ofertar que uno mismo.

Jaja! Naaa... se ve que tengo algo de tiempo.

Sucede que para mi no es lo mismo pelear por la transferencia con el dueño que con otro jugador. Cuando es con el dueño me saca, porque el tipo está usando mi dinero contra mi... si esto es permitido, debería permitirse entonces también la transacción directa club-club y no con el mercado como intermediario.
Valga decir, negociar con un dueño mano a mano subiendo los precios el y yo, que diferencia tiene con ponernos de acuerdo via mp y realizar la transacción? Para mi si el manager ofertante puede subirte los precios, se está desvirtuado.

Zeba: No intento traducirte al inglés porque no logré entender el planteo. Me perdí con lo del 205% y el 3%. :S


Mike:

Tx for the explanation. I´m glad mine question seems usefull.
However, and as i say to Zeba above, if the bidding becomes a "negotiation" of the player price between me and the seller, why should be forbiden the direct transactions between teams?
I can imagine ur answer to this point, and i´ll agree with it.
But for my case, in the end, the type of negotiation that i complain is not regulated by the market -wich in the normal transactions works- but for the managers greedy bid. Wich really freaks me out as I make mine offers!

Basicamente estoy diciendo lo mismo que vos. Cuando peleas con el dueño del jugador, el esta arriesgando solo una parte de su dinero, estrictamente la que se va en intereses digamos, el resto es dinero que, mal o bien, le va a voler a su bolsillo.

y si el jugador hace tiempo que lo tiene es muy bajo el porcentaje que pierde, arriesga un dinero que no le significa mucho y por ahi te sube el precio unos cuantos miles mas...

y en realidad yo si veo ofertar al dueño lo dejo que se lo quede jeje