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From: Ashurri
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Date: 2/2/2012 10:04:05 PM
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I dunno, the more I read this, the more things are not being put into perspective. You see, a team with low salary AND a huge arena finishes 5th would not get as much money as he did going into the playoffs. While a high salary team with small arena will "earn more" by saving on not having to pay salaries.

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206156.126 in reply to 206156.125
Date: 2/2/2012 11:51:28 PM
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I dunno, the more I read this, the more things are not being put into perspective. You see, a team with low salary AND a huge arena finishes 5th would not get as much money as he did going into the playoffs. While a high salary team with small arena will "earn more" by saving on not having to pay salaries.


Sorry but you're flat out wrong. The 5th place team doesn't have to pay any salary for the week. The 3rd and 4th place teams get only 1/3 rd of the gate for most likely only 1 game and pay full salaries.

No matter what league/level you're in, you're far better off financially finishing 5th than 4th. It's not even debateable. If you find one single league where this wasn't the case, I'll stand corrected. I"m confident that you won't.

I'm a 4th place team, I'm in my league finals so I'm going to get to host 1 playoff game and I still would have been better off financially finishing 5th and paying no salaries for the entire playoffs. Sad but true.

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206156.127 in reply to 206156.126
Date: 2/3/2012 12:37:44 AM
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This dude (52668) got less than the salary floor (100k). Finishes 5th, then he'd earn 100k from TV Contract (DII TV Contract is 100% salary floor). By not having to pay salary.

But

Had he finished 4th, he'd get 1/3 of the first game of this guy (52708)

Who in the game against the fourth placed team in his conference had attendance like this:
Bleachers: 17488 x $13
Lower Tier: 2347 x $44
Courtside Seat: 487 x $133
Lux Boxes: 24 x 1000

Total gate receipts: $419 383

Divide that into three: 139 794 and change.

So finish fourth that week would have earned him $139 794
Finished fifth made him earn only $100k

So I proved you wrong.

edit: edited number of courtside seats

Last edited by Ashurri at 2/3/2012 12:39:05 AM

From: Ashurri

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206156.128 in reply to 206156.127
Date: 2/3/2012 12:48:52 AM
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Skip to the another league, where this guy [team=52659 ]his game in the quarters netted $369 020. Divide that into three you know it's still more than 100k. Bah I made my point.

Edit: the fifth placed guy had salary to pay of 100k.

Last edited by Ashurri at 2/3/2012 12:50:11 AM

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Date: 2/3/2012 5:57:05 AM
Headless Thompson Gunners
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Second Team:
Canada Purple Haze BC
Another 4th place finisher here

Salaries $ 254 900
League Playoff Game $ 122 361

equals minus $131,000 and change

5th place
no salaries or playoff game
I would have netted $120,000

Difference of more than $250,000

From: Dodor

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Date: 2/3/2012 5:58:41 AM
Dodor Utd
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Dodor Inc
So what are you saying? If I finish third or fourth, I should sell all my best players and ruin my team to make a 10k income?
That's nonsense, and point far from proven. And btw, the salary floor in my league is higher than 1/3 of any arena income here.

It is obvious the system is flawed. BB solved one problem by creating another unfortunately.

From: Ashurri

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Date: 2/3/2012 6:48:41 AM
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No, I never implied that at all. I was just trying to put things into perspective, saying that sometimes it isn't always better to finish 5th than 4th. People are talking like 5th is always better. There can be exceptions. I've proven my point to Beener. And you're trying to make me sound like everyone should do that. But I did not. I'm just saying that there's a case where 4th might be better for some teams. They might not have a chance to beat the 1st seed, so just sell before the playoffs starts and they can earn much more than finishing fifth.

edit: i also don't mean to say teams should sell. there are already many teams operating with low salary.

Last edited by Ashurri at 2/3/2012 6:52:05 AM

From: Dodor

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Date: 2/3/2012 7:05:37 AM
Dodor Utd
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Ok, maybe you found an exception that happens in 1 out of 20 leagues. That's not the point of the conversation. The fact is that finishing 3rd or 4rd earns you less money than finishing 5th or 6th in 95% of cases.

Last edited by Dodor at 2/3/2012 7:06:17 AM

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Date: 2/3/2012 7:23:31 AM
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So you found an example of a guy that was either a new user or gutted his team that made money finishing 4th. Congrats, assuming your math is correct I stand corrected as promised.

Now what about the other 99% of the leagues in BB? Can you do the math on them?

Sorry but you're not 'putting things into perspective', you're simply closing your eyes to the reality of the situation. In our league this year, teams in both divisions were jockeying to finish in 5th place because everyone had figured out it was better financially. One 5th place finisher even bragged about it in the league forums after the season. Get up into the higher divisions with the bigger payrolls and the situation just gets worse. Do you see the problem here yet or are you are simply recommending that all 4th place teams gut their roster to the salary floor before playoffs to avoid it?

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 2/3/2012 7:40:31 AM

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206156.134 in reply to 206156.133
Date: 2/3/2012 7:41:21 AM
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Gee, I already pointed out something you said will never be found. Now you're saying I'm recommending 4th place teams to gut their salaries. And also saying that it's the case with everyone else.

You are so low.

I did not, in any way, imply such a thing.

What I said was there might be exceptions to this 5th being better than 4th. This is why I said we need to put things into another perspective: Teams that have a roster with a low salary heading into the playoffs. They can have that same team all season for what I care but they place better than 5th which helps them get better ratings in their survey rating, get more from the gate receipts.

Seriously, you are so low.

From: Ashurri

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Date: 2/3/2012 7:43:18 AM
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Yes, I was just pointing out another thing that can happen, saying that there's a possibility for someone at 4th to be better than 5th when I was talking to Beener. Better survey. Better financially. But I never said it's always better to finish 4th. I was just pointing out something that people miss.

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