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In my match tonight, I am certain I set a starting line up which included "Ermin Bogataj" at SF, and Eric Dickinson at SG. Instead, Dickinson is playing at SF, and Rudolph Al-Shurman is starting at SG.

From my notepad, the following was my intended lineup:

PG: Howell, De Bares, Dickinson
SG: Dickinson, Al-Shurman, Bogataj
SF: Bogataj, Cocq, Machimbarrena
PF: Casstles, Barraquer, Machimbarrena
C: Cowan, Niz, Carvajal

Obviously I can't know for certain if I did in fact enter this as my team. However, I checked it twice last night and this morning, and thought it was right.

In the game, the starters are showing as Howell, Al-Shurman, Dickinson, Casstles, Cowan. In the first quarter, Al-Shurman gets injured, which is very annoying since he shouldn't even be in the game at this point. Now, instead of my star SG resting ready for the play-offs, he's getting injured!

Is there any way of identifying why the starting line-up isn't the one I expected? Did I do something wrong, or has the game not followed my orders for some reason?

I understand that the coach will make some changes to the substitution pattern in the DC, but changing the starting five seems just wrong. Besides, Bogataj often does play at SF, so it's not like the arrangement I was proposing was irrational and needed to be over-ruled.

In today SC I have wrong players playing than I setted for the game:

I fielded only 5 players:
My formation:

PG Víctor Núñez ((2594431)) Backup/Reserve
SG Rinalds Zarinš ((2583794))Backup/Reserve
SF Daniels Žvingulis ((7823651))Backup/Reserve
PF Oscar Salinas ((6708969))Backup/Reserve
C Gene Gerola ((2939361))Backup/Reserve

Base Offense, Man to Man, Strictly follow depth chart, let them play.

I definately know that I set Orders with these players, but on the game right now there are other ones who shouldnt play today, they are my top players and they will overplay their minutes...please fix this problem.

Look like my standart lineup is palying today, but I definately know that I set Orders for this game.
Thx
Ragans

Last edited by Ragans at 2/5/2009 11:07:42 AM

My last match http://www.buzzerbeater.com/BBWeb/boxscore.aspx?MatchID=1...

I don't know why players selected at PG didn't play in 4 th quarter. Instead players listed as reserves for SG+C or SF respectively shared those 12 minutes and didn't play where they should (except one of those two 3 minutes at SF). The game was dcide liong time ago, it doesn'T change outcome but it is crucial for my training plan - could you look at it? I expected Petrietis playing in 4th quarter at PG or some combination of Petrietis/Dunka.

I used strictly follow. I wanted those two reservers to be dressed to get some minutes game shape-wise and assigned them to some position to prevent what just happened. I experienced some random non-logic occurance of my perimeter players at big men position despite fully filled depth chart and strictly follow in my previous games (reserves/backups neglected) but it lasted only few minutes and didn't harm my training much so I just raised eyebrows.

This time my one-post training is screwed I can't get right minutes for my 3 trainees (not that I expected perfect 48 for all but i was willing to try to get as close to as I could).

Lineup pattern
A - B - B
B - C - D
E - F - G
H - I - F
I - J - D

I tried to get something like 30 Pg minutes for A and 18 for B (counting with blow out in advance).

Could you look at it?

If you have selected at least 10 active players for a game, and you are winning by enough for the game engine to be in blowout mode, the starters will not play, period. It doesn't matter if B is your 2nd and 3rd choice as PG... because he's the starting SG he will not play in a winning blowout situation.

I'm not saying that's how it should be, but that's how it has always been, and I've never seen it mentioned that this will be changed.

I do think that the recent changes made by Forrest will make it more likely that B sees time at PG in a normal game situation, though.

The problem is that random players playing at some positions over reserves even if those reserves are listed only as reserves in depth chart.

The problem is that random players playing at some positions over reserves even if those reserves are listed only as reserves in depth chart.

I just read it again, and I think I got it the first time. Your PG depth looked like A-B-B. B also started at SG. Is that right?

If so, and if you're winning in a blowout, A and B will absolutely not come on to the floor... starters do not play in that situation, ever, unless there aren't enough subs to fill the spots, even if those subs aren't in the depth chart. So someone not in the depth chart had to play PG for you.

Whether that's worth calling a bug, I don't know.

Yes, it was my fault this time. But still sometimes rnadom players play at random positions where they shouldn't in 4 th quarter (blowouts). Even if there are non-starters listed. Sometimes it could cripple training in the process.

im saying the problem would still exist if you did strict depth chart.. because even in strict depth chart the coach considers the fitness/skill of the players some.. and the gap in skill between JD and TL is so large that the coach can't bear to put JD in over TL. We need to figure some other way to have the coach follow your orders.. we cant have him ignore skills because sometimes things happen that the DC can't account for... and he needs to make a tradeoff between players who are in the depth chart at multiple spots.. anyway...

(10349263) Orders: Strictly follow depth chart...

V.Katzarsky (Center) set as starter at SG position. T.Lindner as backup.

Result: V.K. played 33 min / T.L. played 15 min.

(10349266) Orders: Depth chart until 4th...

V.Katzarsky set as starter at SG and T.L. as backup.
The match starts with T.L. as starter...

Result: V.K. played 10 min at SG / T.L. played 38 min.

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If I understood well your working hypothesis, these two matches are telling that it was not right. When using "strictly follow...", my line-up was pretty well respected by the trainer in spite of the obvious better skills of T.L. When "Depth chart until 4th..." was set, the "bug" appears.

I hope it helps.

I think the same thing happens to me.

Today, in the friendly match (10655729), I choose my best player, Manolo Villa Fernández (2229641) a former small forward of the spanish NT, to start in the bench as a power forward, because he played 48 minutes in the last match.

To fill up a better training I take a not too much young PG, José Gurruchaga (3005901) (that I don't want to train this week) in the starting five as power forward.

Obviously, the first player is much better than the second one, so in spite of playing with "Depth chart until 4th...", my coach decided to start with Manolo.

Result: my best player is now injuried for two weeks.

Very unlucky but maybe it could be avoid if my own decission were more respected by the coach.

And maybe I'm mistaken but I though that the injuried players appeared in red in the summary during the match but the name of Manolo never changed to red. It's that correct?

In other cases I have suffered similar "unexpected changes" always playing with "Depth chart until 4th" so for me it's very clear that there is a bug around this substitution mode.

Hi,
2 games in a row, with wrong line-up.
1st time (11510137), maybe he forgot. I talk with him by msn.
2nd time (11510145), even i help him to make the line-up and stragedy. He reviewed it 3 times, and now he has the same line-up of the previous match.

I think there's a problem here.

Greetings