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2 seasons ago
guards: IS increased? yes. other inside skills? Probably (no conclusive evidence due to lack of suitable examples).
big men: OD increased? yes! DR/HA? doesn't look like it. Other outside skills? Yes!!!
SFs have increased, unclear what caused it.

last season
everyone increased including guards with 90 outside skills and 7 inside skills (I'd need to find my own post to tell you exactly).

So, as you can imagine, it's not clear who got damaged the most salary-wise: inside or outside tactics (especially because big men +5% is not the same as guards +5%)

I'm not going to do a regression analysis based on Josef Ka formula to estimate the coefficients. CaptainTeemo said he tried to contact Sailorman several times but he didn't reply: a bit like me trying to get a reply from Marin on a bug...

Sailorman presumably has some routine setup or a spreasheet he already used to do the analysis in the past. I am able to do it myself, if I want , but I just don't have the motivation to spend time on it.

This exercise is likely to be a bit of a pain, because maybe also the basic coefficients need to be recalibrated, not just the weights of each skill. What we know is that the increases on secondary skills were visible from 'strong' or higher, it's unclear whether lower skills than 'strong' had an opposite effect (it looked like they did, although obviously guards with 17 or 18 IS had bigger jumps than guards with 1 IS had reductions), so I don't know if the basic formula coefficients were also modified slightly.

That said, for me the main thing was the confirmation that the cap coefficients did not change. EGM-Foto confirmed that publicly in Global and that was what I mostly cared about.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/23/2017 9:46:34 AM

My C (31801722) is similar to Robard's german NT player (the one who had x/17/17/17), but he has more inside skills all around and also crucially more outside skills (except outside shooting). You can see how his salary changed after the last 2 changes (without any training). 153k->167k.

The only reason he's not in the PF formulas is relatively low outside shooting (JS/JR) and the fact that he has over 65 inside skills, but I'd imagine PFs with even more outside skills than him would have had higher jumps.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/23/2017 9:54:24 AM

Until you produce the math it's pretty pointless in complaining or forming opinions about it being one thing or the other. Good or bad.

Not really people have provided pretty convincing evidence that outside oriented teams got shafted quite significantly by looking at the overall salary change of different teams (D1 teams). Falke isn't stupid and he's very experienced so there's that.

Personally I only rejected the notion that only IS was increased and I found examples that appeared to prove the opposite (by using players who had just turned 33yo). IS for guards was what we asked. Secondaries was what we got (although some are exempt, like DR, which again favours LI).

I'm not pushing direct GE changes over other changes, but direct GE changes are obviously going to have the most immediate measurable impact today or right after any given change.

They should remove Out of bounds turnovers. It makes no sense and it's one of the things which actually can change the outcome of a game irrespective of efficiency. We've seen Italy losing with +20 team GameScore which just doesn't happen in real life. It's like a team leading in every box score stat (other than points) and FG% and somehow losing because many possessions have been shifted with things that don't show up in the box score and don't happen in real life and because of 5 offensive fouls (to 0) which led to 10 FTs. Come on.

Lot's of people just aren't enthusiastic in the game and aren't trying to figure out the new stuff... Ithink we might see LI hold on as a dominant strategy just because dominate teams aren't really interested in figuring anything new out. Sad but it may be the case.

3 point shooting is a lot higher now. Marin did the simple change of turning long 2s into 3s and there are many players shooting as well from 3 as they do from 2. Look here: http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/92909693/reportmatch.as... This happened to me while defending with 16 and 15 OD at the guard spots: my opponent went 5-7, 3-4 and 5-5 from 3 before garbage time began.

Aleksandar (118582) 2 guards cost him 24 million between them and they were very very high JR/JS players. You can track that. Tbh very high 3pt shooting seems to be associated to specific tactics (probably those which were likely to generate long jump shots which now count as 3s.

This game is too slow to play the legit ways and not enough to keep the guys at the top honest or even remotely in striking distance of people who've been playing for less than 3 years already...pretty lame.

I agree with this. I have proposed several times that the make training faster.

So many obvious issues/flaws with this game design that devs should have fixed 10 seasons ago, just recognize that it doesn't work, stop being stubborn and holding on to their worst ideas to the deficit of their best ones. Oh well. It is what it is.

At this point I'm starting to think that they can do a clean reboot on a different platform while trying to clean up several things that they are reluctant to do here because of individual interests. Of course this would require to give the game to someone who's actually able to make the changes.