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The suggestion has pretty much been flogged to death. Let's try to introduce some new points of view (pro or con) in a friendly manner or close the discussion which has been a bit disrespectful for about 100 posts.

Exactly.
New rules pass with 67% of the votes.
You want your new rule to be legit when you have 37% of the votes.
Enough said.

Basically you are now defining how the developers should choose their new features.
This is not the way they are choosing it.
It is, again, pointing out that you are looking for excuses and not for a solution or to reason out why it is a bad suggestion.

And no, you didn't answer claims at all. They are all there in the previous 100+ posts. If people don't keep replying is just because they're bored of repeating the same things again and again.

"Great" claim. We all "know" that when one would not answer an argument the other will just bring new ones instead.

Basically you're argumentative plan now is just inventing new reality that does not exists.

I don't know how this claim here will assist you.
Do you think that the developers will just read this quote of you and will say "OK, let's not read any other post here"?

Auto-bid removes the suspence/fun in the transfer market. The suspence/fun of the transfer market is the major lure of the game for new users. There is a high risk to lose new users if you implement auto-bid. If you give auto-bid only to oldtimers, you introduce unfairness.

Let's break this one into pieces...

1)

If you give auto-bid only to oldtimers, you introduce unfairness.

So, you are admitting that currently there is unfairness in the auction system as the auto-bidding system does not give any advantage besides the option to be part of any auction. It just "simulate" what that user would have done in case he was online at the time of the auction that he couldn't be part of.
As I remember you claiming just the opposite, it is very... interesting.

2)

There is a high risk to lose new users if you implement auto-bid

As you just admitted in (1) that current status is not fair, you can narrow the it in two ways.
a) Open this new feature to all.
b) Close this feature to newbies (until they play a full season or so)
The newbies will suffer some unfairness but only in the first season (compared to current status which is - always).

In addition, unfairness in a game (any game) pushes users away from the game much more than anything else.

3)

The suspence/fun of the transfer market is the major lure of the game for new users

a) It is not removed. They can be online bidders after the auto-bidding part ends.
b) It is not what makes the game that fun. It is like saying that the mirror in the car is what makes the driving on it fun, and that the quality of the mirror is the one of the most interesting parts when buying a car.
If you are right, I would suggest making an auction-simulation game. Somehow it sounds ridiculous.
c) As I wrote, they could be blocked at the first season to be able only to bid online.
The unfairness of it already discussed at (2).
You limit the unfairness from "always" to "only at the first season/s".

Waiting for new excuses.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 10/27/2011 2:36:43 AM

As you just admitted in (1) that current status is not fair, you can narrow the it in two ways.
a) Open this new feature to all.
b) Close this feature to newbies (until they play a full season or so)
The newbies will suffer some unfairness but only in the first season (compared to current status which is - always).

In addition, unfairness in a game (any game) pushes users away from the game much more than anything else.

you really meant this serious, with this change you get unfairness. Today you have fairness, so you like to scare of user with your suggestion.

As you just admitted in (1) that current status is not fair, you can narrow the it in two ways.
a) Open this new feature to all.
b) Close this feature to newbies (until they play a full season or so)
The newbies will suffer some unfairness but only in the first season (compared to current status which is - always).

In addition, unfairness in a game (any game) pushes users away from the game much more than anything else.

you really meant this serious, with this change you get unfairness. Today you have fairness, so you like to scare of user with your suggestion.

The logic that brang you to this conclusion is very... interesting.

Currently there is no fairness - it gives advantage to those who have more flexible time.
This game is about BB managing and not about making your time flexible.
The suggestion will make it fair, at least under that aspect.

In case you are claiming that it gives advantage - because it enable all users to be part of any auction unlike current status - then you approve that current status is unfair.
In case you don't, so how will it cause unfairness?

If you are saying that the new system will be too much for the new users (which is ridiculous), then you can disable it for them, and still the game will be more fair for them then it currently is, as this unfairness will be for a short while - unlike current status.

Basically you are trying to give excuse that contradicts anything you claimed previously, and even contradicts itself in the same sentence...

Dude are you still sticking with this? You've gone on for how many posts and you still haven't managed to convince anyone. give it a rest...

Last edited by Coolbobj at 10/27/2011 4:52:13 AM

For me fairness is having in rpiority the same chanches, and oppurtunitys. When all play in the same enviroment, i can say it is fairness. That effort and knowledge gives ltiile advatages is also ok.

But giving newbies, less oppurtunitys and very boring bidwars against bot, which he mostly had to face who never make mistakes, who aren't affected by psychological games is an disadvantage cause normal bidding get very boring with existing autobids.(and you don't need much time even in the current transfer system)
So forcing newbies to make something boring, would at least for me a reason to quit and is not the sense of a game wihich should be enjoying.

Most people like the current bidding, and find it enjoying. I believe you that there are for sure people, who would prefer autobids, but that bidding against a maschine is the dsame fun like against a user you are the only one who believes it.

But giving new and old users and different enviroment then there opponents is unfair, cause you didn't have the same chanches.

Where is the facepalm icon here?

My reasoning on the vote is not the reason that I bring. It's just a reply to your absurd claim that the vote is splitted.
It takes some science-fiction attitude to say that when 67% of the voters agree that it is a bad idea, the vote is splitted.


And what's with this breaking my argument into pieces from bottom to top?
That is some unfair way to argument.
Try again with the correct order at least.

You are still blabbing about the same things. Can you already get the fact that noone is leaving the game because of the TL bidding system. Get real already...

In case you are claiming that it gives advantage - because it enable all users to be part of any auction unlike current status - then you approve that current status is unfair.

So what are you claiming now? That offline users are not a part of the bidding system now and will be in the new system? If you bid 300k on a player now and 300k with your new proposed system -> whats the difference, if the player get's sold for 600k. Neither would be online to bid anyway. If the player would sell for 250k, then both bidding systems would win the player to the bidder. The only thing you are trying to do here is get profit on low priced players. You are not improving the chance of getting the player.
You keep choosing things to answer and manage to produce false facts "that you know for sure", but actually are not facts. This is getting amusing already. You have many suggestions open where your reasoning is just so bizarre. Noone here is agreeing with you. Can you give it a rest already?

Well, when you have such a "good claim" what can I say...

I don't need to conveince those who like to benefit for the unfairness advantage of current system.
I need to conveince the developers that this is a top ptiority feature.
And it definately is.

Basically the excuses you keep bringing make it easier for me, as I'm covering each point, and on the other hand, you are keeping proving that there are those who benefit from this unfairness system.

You sound like Berlusconi... "I am always right, and if the others try to prove me wrong... it's a conspiracy!"

For me fairness is having in rpiority the same chanches, and oppurtunitys. When all play in the same enviroment, i can say it is fairness. That effort and knowledge gives ltiile advatages is also ok.

It does not give, as not all can be that flexible with time, and being flexible with time does not make you a better BB manager.

You could also have a law asking money from whom who can jump higher than 2 meters - gives the same environment to whole. No?
Or have some law about the hair color. And so on...
It si not the same environment, as the game is not dedicated only to those who are flexible with time.

But giving newbies, less oppurtunitys and very boring bidwars against bot, which he mostly had to face who never make mistakes, who aren't affected by psychological games is an disadvantage cause normal bidding get very boring with existing autobids.(and you don't need much time even in the current transfer system)
So forcing newbies to make something boring, would at least for me a reason to quit and is not the sense of a game wihich should be enjoying.

1) Again, you are implying that on current system one who cannot attend will put the max price on a player from the start.
This same price is the highest price one will put in the Auto-Bid system by definition.
After that the regular bidding starts.
So what is the difference?

2) In case you are here because of the auction bidding (which sounds ridiculous), than why BB managing?
Go to eBay or such.
In case you think most users will leave because of that, this mean that the auction is a ground for a new game!!!
Go and develop it!
We both know you are giving excuses due to the fact that I've pointed out that users are leaving the game due to the unfairness of current system.

Most people like the current bidding, and find it enjoying. I believe you that there are for sure people, who would prefer autobids, but that bidding against a maschine is the dsame fun like against a user you are the only one who believes it.

Again comes the excuse that I stand alone supporting it.
The votes prove that it aint so. Regardless which opinion was supported more.
The other excuses had been answered before (more than once), and here as well.

Again, I'll remind that for keeping this essence of the game (upon your "opinion"), I also suggested before that half (for example) of the auctions will be w/o auto-bids (although there is no reason for that).
So, what will be your excuse to a system like that?

But giving new and old users and different enviroment then there opponents is unfair, cause you didn't have the same chanches.

Because differenet environment to those who flexible with time (small group) and those who are not is "much more fair" than those who are new (much smaller group) and those who are not...

And again, if you are saying that this ne suggested system gives an advantage comparing with those who don't.
And due to the fact that it only gives user the posibility to be part of any auction.
Due to both of that it means that not being able to be part of any auction (due to not flexible time) is unfairness.
As this group of users who their time is not that flexible, you basicaly proved my claim right and yours as an excuse.