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Never said it was easy, its just wishfull thinking on my part.

I am a basketball coach myself and would love to draw my plays.

I think we all agree that this means a major additional investment. To my point of view it looks like the original people involved have withdrawn a long time ago, at least concerning personal effort. They simply found some people willing to run the show for them for (to their understanding) little money.

The point is, that this way no clear vision for the game is present. There are some small and some less small adjustments being made thanks to the great work of people such as Marin, but this won't be enough to make this project successful in the future. The new generations of players won't be so easy draw into the game with a mere text viewer. I can see the average age of players in Germany rise quite a bit over the last seasons. That is not because the game draws older guys, but because the younger people quit quite soon and its the elder one who stay active. Overall Germany has a decline of roughly 30% over the last year. And comparing that to the overall numbers, Germany is rather the average than the exception.

For the funders of/ investors in the game the question should be: Shall I invest a heap of money again with the prospect of creating the best and most played Basketball sim there is? Does some revenues make up for the work? Do I have the resources do make this happen or can I hire somebody for that job?

Concerning Buzzerbeater, its basically a do-or-die decision. If they decline the job, Buzzerbeater won't turn off by tomorrow, but reality will make this project obsolete in the nearer future.



and now its your turn to prove me entirely wrong....

wouldn't it be possible to buy some elder sports engine (for little money) and modify it to fit into bb-world?

Last edited by Northern Warlord at 10/23/2013 7:30:29 AM

I think the problem is a larger sense is similar to the divide between Football Manager and Hattrick - one is a full-fledged football simulation game and one is a football-themed game that could essentially be reskinned to simulate fencing instead. I would think at this point that people who are hoping for visual representations of the action or even play-by-play where player movement is simulated individually will need to hold out hope that someone does a FM-style game for basketball. The good news is that it's not entirely unprecedented- there was a very credible hockey simulation called Eastside Hockey Manager that a fellow from Finland whipped up in visual basic that actually had a good community around with people forming and running leagues online, and then he joined Sports Interactive and they made a couple of versions of the game using an engine similar to (or identical, I forget) the FM engine. It just requires someone with the time, the talent, and the passion to bring it to fruition, which is not exactly something in common supply.

It will be nice to have GE like FM manager have in browser based online games.But even in football manager games you havent such a GE.Football or soccer manager games how you called in USA have much more user base than basketball managers but still havent better GE than BB have.They have 200k user base like TM have or even more in HT or Top eleven on FB but still have text based GE.
FM got this new match viewer when SEGA come in and join in the work with SI games.Earlier they have text based match viewer like we have here.

There are some American Football browser-based games that actually have a 2D engine where you can see the plays, though they're of course quite flawed. But even in just "text-based" GE's there's a massive gulf between the stuff SI have done over the years (even back to the first one I played, CM4) and what Hattrick does. BB is far ahead of HT in that regard, at least. I just don't know if BB's engine has the capacity to actually simulate the player movement and ball movement needed for more in-depth pbp, let alone a 2d viewer, though I suppose it's probably a moot point given that we only have one Marin. ;)

I just don't know if BB's engine has the capacity to actually simulate the player movement and ball movement needed for more in-depth pbp, let alone a 2d viewer, though I suppose it's probably a moot point given that we only have one Marin. ;)

there is no capacity to simulate the game wherever you are, right. Maybe its a combined solution such as the programs like Pokerstars.com or golf-online. There you have the program preinstalled in which you would be able to see the 2d/3d game. This way, the servers just have to send the broad game info that is sufficient right now. For devices without that program its back to text viewer and box score. But everyone would be able to live with that.