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From: Ozzy

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Date: 4/25/2010 8:16:03 PM
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Finally someone reply on this topic.

Well... I can tell you all advantages and disadvantages of TIE-TIE arrangement, but that is not point of this topic.

First I'm not the smart one who invented this suggestion. This problem, TIE-TIE (ou yeeees that is problem), was in HT something like 10 seasons ago. And HT change this thing in same way like I wrote. Now, the number of TIE-TIE agreements is at the lowest level! Actually I didn't get any TIE-TIE propose till then! And before that that was usual... so this suggestion WORKS.

I read all your disagrees, and really cant find any reason against this?!!!!
But i don't like the suggestion, because this will confuse also a lot of manager when they try to explain their results.
Is this the only one? ...hah who cares for your excuses if you lose? This would make game just more interesting... much more interesting... haha "confuse" :))))


Those who wish can still ask someone for TIE-TIE... but that would be much rarely. If you dont have this kind of problem in your country you are the very lucky, or just blind :P



@GM-Kivan:
I can also with certainty say that there are no mutual TIE agreements in the top Croatian division either

GM in my country would probably say the same. But different people have different thoughts...

Last edited by Ozzy at 4/25/2010 8:16:41 PM

From: Kivan

To: Ozzy
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Date: 4/25/2010 11:44:37 PM
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I'm not saying that as a GM...

I'm saying that as a user

And I know a couple of managers from the first division (and some that were) in real life, and we discussed the matter

From: CrazyEye

To: Ozzy
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Date: 4/26/2010 2:13:10 AM
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in HT you can see it so easily if someone tie or not, because it is in the ratings ;) And actually i amde more deal sthere then here ;)

But you need to make it like there visible in some way, to make games explainable, so in HT it is in the very clear in the rating here it is below the ratings so i don't see any difference.

And why gm had to lie about it?

Last edited by CrazyEye at 4/26/2010 2:14:44 AM

From: Ozzy

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Date: 4/26/2010 7:22:13 PM
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And why gm had to lie about it?
NO! I didnt say that, I'm sorry if you understand my words wrong.

Actually in THIS game (I play a lot of games, and ONLY HERE) always I have feeling that all BB staff do not listen any suggestion! Sometimes I got feeling that gm's need to deny all Ideas, to kill all creativity that someone make to improve this game, just like that's their job :P

Whenever someone wrote some suggestion, bad or good it's not matter, gm's always (95%) give negative comment!
I really think that this idea is good, and that can be implemented very easy, and that game could be much more fun with it.
Now I understand your point of stats, but... here, on BB, you have also numbers. You can just check game ratings and all those ratings convert to numbers. Same thing on HT, just there is foxtrick plugin who do everything for you.

From: Edju

To: Ozzy
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Actually in THIS game (I play a lot of games, and ONLY HERE) always I have feeling that all BB staff do not listen any suggestion!


I can assure you with 100% certainty that that is completely not the case.

We read every single suggestion that is posted in this forum, and have implemented or are in the process of implementing many of them.

There are many reasons why we may decline to implement some suggestions, but every one is most certainly considered.

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From: Ozzy

To: Edju
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Date: 4/27/2010 7:33:36 AM
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Actually in THIS game (I play a lot of games, and ONLY HERE) always I have feeling that all BB staff do not listen any suggestion!


I can assure you with 100% certainty that that is completely not the case.

We read every single suggestion that is posted in this forum, and have implemented or are in the process of implementing many of them.

There are many reasons why we may decline to implement some suggestions, but every one is most certainly considered.
Ok, I respect your answer. But then all that considered suggestions stay considered with you. There is no any feedback!

Look in this suggestion, I don't know what you think about it. If you think that is not good and if you tell me that, maybe I could improve my suggestion and make it better. Maybe next time I will know how things works.

From: Kivan

To: Ozzy
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Date: 4/27/2010 8:13:42 AM
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I'd just like to point out that you can try and search the suggestion forum and find some posts of mine from a year ago, way before I was GM, saying the same thing, that I don't see TIE - TIE that much and in general don't want anything to be changed considering the enthusiasm system

From: Ozzy

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Date: 4/27/2010 8:56:11 AM
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I'd just like to point out that you can try and search the suggestion forum and find some posts of mine from a year ago, way before I was GM, saying the same thing, that I don't see TIE - TIE that much and in general don't want anything to be changed considering the enthusiasm system :)

But that's the same, everything will stay the same with enthusiasm system! Only other players will not be able to see what you played.

If we said that there are people who see and those who dont see those TIE-TIE, let say 50:50. If you do this, then this first 50% will be satisfied, and other 50% has nothing to lose. Right?

From: Kukoc

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Date: 4/27/2010 9:28:58 AM
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I think seeing different efforts in game are vital for understanding results in general. We win nothing with hideing them. TIE-TIE deals are not a problem in this game (have never offered one or received an offer myself). Why would I ever suggest such a think knowing I lose (giving my rival enthusiasm boost). I would play tie anyway + with chances of winning I would go normal. Better yet I might offer one when I have a chance of winning the league and then just play normal!

From: Kivan

To: Ozzy
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Date: 4/27/2010 9:33:19 AM
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I have things to lose.
I will find it harder to interpret the results, and I will find it way harder to try and guess the ent of my next opponent and plan accordingly.
And even now, when you look at opponents matches, you don't always see the effort put in

From: Ozzy

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Date: 4/27/2010 9:48:25 AM
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I think seeing different efforts in game are vital for understanding results in general. We win nothing with hideing them. TIE-TIE deals are not a problem in this game (have never offered one or received an offer myself). Why would I ever suggest such a think knowing I lose (giving my rival enthusiasm boost). I would play tie anyway + with chances of winning I would go normal. Better yet I might offer one when I have a chance of winning the league and then just play normal!
Heh... why would you waste your enthusiasm and play NORMAL and your opponent too when both of you can set TIE and be stronger next match? Heh... I see that you are never played first division and that IS important, because in lower division you can play TIE whole season easily... in top division enthusiasm is one that win games.

GM-Kivan
I have things to lose.
I will find it harder to interpret the results, and I will find it way harder to try and guess the ent of my next opponent and plan accordingly.
And even now, when you look at opponents matches, you don't always see the effort put in

That "harder" will make game more interesting. You will not be able to know what your opponent played. Only tactic, only you, only your team... why you need to know what opponent coach tell them in back-room? (or how to say "svlacionica")
In my league almost all matches I know what they played. We know each others for a years and every game I could guess what someone will played. Things that I hate the most, is that some teams play TIE-TIE for 8 seasons every their game! Is that normal?

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