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I understand that there might be a number of people that feel that it is not optimal and would love to see a change, and fair enough.

What I don't get, is how complaints spring up with so much gusto and blame towards a process or situation that the complainant already knew about, and because they didn't make the adjustment and suffered, they blame the process that is in place and not their own management of the situation (not just this example).

My point is that I knew about the drop in attendance in loosing away games, amounting to a drop in revenue, lost my last game of the season going into the finals (on a gamble), and took the hit, lesson learned.

Everyone has the right to voice their opinions for sure and offer some ideas or solutions (great job procta in this area) just, if you know the game works a certain way at the moment, manage it for now, use it to your advantage, learn from it.

I Really want to talk to bb Marin, I don't see him on the forums , please link me his team id. Because he has a lot of explaining to do for a lot to understand.

If everything is so hard to do, which is not true per-say , I thinks its actually very easy to do, I just think he lacks the funds to do it, that or he doesn't want to upset the bases of the game. A few of things on BB are not right.. They are very small things and do able, none would complain. Just like the op suggested.

I don't see how this hard to do. I really don't. I'm not asking for the formula, or change within it.. Like I said before a lot of managers need some solace on BB. A lot of these things are easy to do, we have some very knowing managers like yourself ,who give great advice in opinions and know what need to be fixed on the highest level down to the lowest. Its get so tired going in circles of the small issues. Its too much repeating of problems going on the forums.

No one is going to go for that for so long, Some may say "oh this manager quit because he couldn't compete and etc". but truth is the game needs some minor improvement in some very small area's the biggest area to me is fixing LI and defensive tactics.

Stuff like the op is suggesting is a easy fix. Just raise the level of the Pr manager over time with the team. He gets better over time as his costing wage rises. Make it so these survey's and etc are worth a actual dam. If the fans are happy 5 balls (stars) and only 8k come out for home game for the playoffs. Then those survey of fan happiness are far fetched.. I could understand a season game, a small market team being played( bad team), but the league division playoffs for the championship are a big big deal. I under stand there's a formula there.

Giving bad or good teams attendance money for making the playoff is not a crime, it actually helps the game. So again I agree with your statement somewhat.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 9/4/2013 7:05:00 PM

I support your reasoning.

Let me just say I did not start this thread to hate on the game or the BBs. Considering the amount of spare time the developers have to spend on it, the game as a whole is very impressive. However, the game has it's quirks and I want to see the game improve so that it's popularity will also grow. This brings me to the point I was originally trying to make.

I had more people(~1,500) attend a game against a 2-20 opponent at the end of the season rather than attending a first round playoff opponent with a much better record. Logically this makes no sense. Perhaps a special case should be made for playoff games? I don't think playoff games should be an automatic sellout, but surely +90% of the stadium should be filled.

I find, as I'm poking through random NBA data from this past season, that the number of people who show up generally depends on two things. The first is the quality of the home team, the second is the quality of the road team. People show up to watch the Thunder on the road just as they do in Oklahoma City. If anything else has an effect, it seems to get lost.

I also just eyeballed a couple dozen playoff games - Brooklyn/Chicago, Chicago/Miami, Miami/Indiana, and the Finals - and it's very hard finding any that weren't sellouts. If they weren't, they had to be very close.

Even the worst NBA teams this season averaged near 80% home attendance (the Pistons averaged only 67%, but Detroit's overall economic condition makes that understandable). Seeing a team go from nearly sold out in one game to 60% of capacity the next two games (like I did only last month) appears unrealistic.

Last edited by Antares23 at 9/7/2013 10:34:01 PM

I think one of the dangers of using NBA comparisons (great info/ research though) is that, you as do I, play in the lower divisions in BB, we are like Local state level competitions in comparison and our Div I teams are like the NBA. At least that's what I keep convincing myself when no one comes to watch, and my TV revenue share is a fraction of that of Div I.

By the sounds of all the experiences being brought forward that there clearly needs to be an adjustment in the way it is all figured out and it appears that the BB'ers are well aware of this, hopefully it works it's way up the priority list soon and solves what seems to be a very passionate issue.

I think one of the dangers of using NBA comparisons (great info/ research though) is that, you as do I, play in the lower divisions in BB, we are like Local state level competitions in comparison and our Div I teams are like the NBA. At least that's what I keep convincing myself when no one comes to watch, and my TV revenue share is a fraction of that of Div I.

You're right, of course. On the other hand, even as lower-division teams, we both have arenas that dwarf a good number of real-life college basketball stadiums, and the more successful college teams are constantly sold out. I don't know how to reconcile that to a game world that consists of entirely professional teams. It's possible, also, that trying to model things so closely to the NBA is misguided, since the NBA doesn't sit atop a pyramid of several hundred other leagues.

With that in mind, all I will stand by is that the most important factor in ticket sales is - or should be - the caliber of the two teams, with additional consideration for the stakes of the game.

+1 I agree.

I don't know if you can find attendance figures for multi-level soccer leagues like they have in England, but that might be a better point of comparison. They have relegation and promotion there, as well as a Cup.