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From: deanswer

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Date: 10/18/2023 3:43:35 PM
deanswer
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I personally like ID on the shorter players, definitely could go 1v1 /OD too, but right now on my SF trainee in utopia I've finally switched to 1v1 and I have his ID already at a pretty high level.

Training ID first means that now you won't have to do it as much when he gets older, so I'm a big fan of ID, then 1v1, OD, and then back to ID again if you so desire.


I am training 3 SF that are now 135 tsp with 25y.
my plan was
1vs1
IS
OD/ID using all the elastic i created with high HN and IS and alternate to maintan the salary low
and 1 pas a season from 22y

It is clear they had no defenses untill 21/22 years, but in 2 seasons they reached good levels

I am curious to know, why training ID first is better. Only to be a bit more competitive when he is young?
I guess the way I did maximise the elastic effect
Please share your reasons


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318368.14 in reply to 318368.13
Date: 10/18/2023 8:30:15 PM
My personal guess for ID is it allows for it to be trained much much faster in early ages instead of older ages for not so tall players (208cm max).

With ID out of the way, and 1v1F training quite fast, plus the elastic effect from handling being quite high for OD, it can give you an edge over doing ID later. I guess it depends mostly on the height as well. ID first would be more beneficial for a player who is 198cm, and ID later would be more beneficial for a player who is 208cm.

But your plan seems to have yielded amazing results, so congratulations for that and good luck on your cup!


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Date: 10/24/2023 5:23:11 PM
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Yeah I'm sure someone could sit down and do the math based on training estimates people have come up with, but I see both ways having benefits.

ID first benefits are:
1. Less weeks you have to train your SF at C which can be difficult
2. ID gives a strong elastic to IS which can be nice to set up early
3. ID early will make your trainee a more viable defender throughout their training

1v1 first (and ID later down the road)
1. Maximum extra pops from youth trainer
2. Set up strong elastics early on
3. IS can even be a small elastic for training ID later
4. Might be faster overall due to maximizing YT extra pops

So I think both are viable and like you said, it might depend on the player's height for what you decide to do.

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Date: 10/25/2023 8:11:47 AM
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Yeah I'm sure someone could sit down and do the math based on training estimates people have come up with, but I see both ways having benefits.

ID first benefits are:
1. Less weeks you have to train your SF at C which can be difficult
2. ID gives a strong elastic to IS which can be nice to set up early
3. ID early will make your trainee a more viable defender throughout their training

1v1 first (and ID later down the road)
1. Maximum extra pops from youth trainer
2. Set up strong elastics early on
3. IS can even be a small elastic for training ID later
4. Might be faster overall due to maximizing YT extra pops

So I think both are viable and like you said, it might depend on the player's height for what you decide to do.


Training ID first until what level? ID 15/16 or lower and you will train again ID later?

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Date: 10/26/2023 12:26:50 PM
Rest of ID pops you can get thru OD cross training

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Date: 11/2/2023 1:23:38 AM
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What about having a pure defensive player? OD/ID/SB lvl 17 and having at the same time low salary. In this case how do you think is better to train? I think we should avoid 1vs1 he just need to defend not to take shots

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Date: 11/4/2023 3:01:58 PM
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Danke. And when do you train OD? Should be good 1 week OD and then 1 week SB and so on?

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Date: 1/3/2024 11:10:29 AM
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When it says to train 1vs1 F, on small guys... does that mean we play scrimages, 48 minutes, out of position (in big positions)?

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Date: 1/3/2024 11:44:31 AM
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Yes, if you want to have that IS training boost, you need to go with 1v1F, so your trainees must play at SF/PF position a minimum minutes depending on their ages.

18-19 yo: 45 minutes
20-26 yo: 48 minutes
+27 yo: 40 minutes


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