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Ah, thanks for the explanation. It certainly makes sense now.

Training HA will

- increase elastics for OD
- give OD some secondary training
- avoid training JS/DR as much as possible, where players with high OD/PA/HA fit much better, and you need HA for PA, altough TO numbers can vary according to user experience

In general it does make sense to train HA for some specific builds

I don't know where you got it but DR does not give elastic effect to OD, only HA gives

I don't know where you got it but DR does not give elastic effect to OD

Probably literally every training thread? Which is why almost everyone goes 1 on 1 forwards? You're the first person I've seen who says it does not give elastic effect to OD. Where'd you get your info from?

Where did I get this info? Literally every single thread that I have read, also there is a thread about the elastic effect coefficient

If you really did your research you would have noticed that on coach parrot there are the coefficients for the elastic effect of skills, if you don't know about that then you should try a little bit more instead of stating fake info as truth in public threads for others to see, especially newbies that don't know anything about this game.

It's a bit tiring to read your uninformed replies and assumptions in many threads, it's also dangerous for other uninformed players or newbies as they may assume your misinformation as truth. Instead of assuming and stating things openly and plainly, when you don't know or are not sure about something write in a way that you ask questions, which would help improve the quality of information on the threads you are active on, just my 2 cents

It's a bit tiring to read your uninformed replies and assumptions in many threads, it's also dangerous for other uninformed players or newbies as they may assume your misinformation as truth. Instead of assuming and stating things openly and plainly, when you don't know or are not sure about something write in a way that you ask questions, which would help improve the quality of information on the threads you are active on, just my 2 cents.

I have ever said everything I said were set in stone. Which is why I always ask questions when people bring up things. I don't come up with my own info, I go through a lot of forum posts and base my ideas from there. If someone comes up with something more convincing or solid, then I will stick to that.

If you're so annoyed by my wrong info, why don't you come out more often to share? ;)

The original analysis by wozzvt showed that it was HA elastically linked to OD, not DR.

It's hard to disentangle because most things that train HA also train DR. But, his analysis showed that HA was more important and very likely the driving factor.

Ah, thanks for the info. Now I have to change what I look out for when training XD

It might help to differentiate the things you've read (for example: a lot of people train 1v1 for the elastic effect) and your own ideas/conclusions (1v1 trains DR mainly, so DR causes the elastic effect for OD).

We can agree on the first observation, but your conclusion based on that observation might be wrong.

I am not annoyed, I am giving you directions on how to improve the way you question, simple as that

It's exactly as Jerundebar said

You don't question, you state affirmations

"Does HA give elastics to OD, or is it DR, or both?
This is actually the first training thread I've read which actually talked about HA. Every other thread seem to focus solely on DR. Is that because DR gives more elastics than HA?"

You started of well but then your line of reasoning derailed completely, not only you stated your own assumption as an affirmation, you also misinterpreted the information you saw on the forum and stated it as an affirmation.


1. "This is actually the first training thread I've read which actually talked about HA"

I am 1000% certain it's not, I have read a lot of threads on the forums, ESPECIALLY I researched almost all of the training guides in the USA forums, Polska, Dutch, Austrian, Spanish, Peru, Argentina, Taiwan, China, you name it. In every single country forum and even in the english global forum you will find the info that HA gives elastic effect to OD. You don't find that about DR.

2. "Every other thread seem to focus solely on DR. Is that because DR gives more elastics than HA?"

This is your misinterpretation, every other thread does not focus on Dr, very probably what you are assuming is that people suggest to get your DR, HA, to 16/17 then train OD.

And you are assuming this as DR gives elastics to OD. What in reality this means is that

1v1F training or 1v1G are the most popular training plans for the 18/19 age bracket, and the recommended onees, because of the quantity of pops, and also because of the elastic setup it gives to OD, and some other skills.

It is common knowledge that you should get your DR/HA to 16/17 before switching to OD, and that is because it does not make sense to only train HA to 16/17 and then give OD training.

Because 1v1F trains JS, DR, HA, IS, that's why most people say to give DR/HA to 16/17 because then when you switch to OD your trainee will have enough pops, enough JS, enough IS, and enough HA to give OD elastics so this is the OPTIMAL way to train a player.

I hope this reply was helpful to you and don't take me as annoyed because I am not, I am simply trying to improve your line of reasoning and communication, cheers!

Last edited by Coach Sergio at 10/15/2023 10:13:44 AM

your own ideas/conclusions (1v1 trains DR mainly, so DR causes the elastic effect for OD).

No this isn't even my own conclusion. I did read it up in the forums more than once. Since no one stepped in to correct them all this while, I just took it as it was supposed to.

I am 1000% certain it's not, I have read a lot of threads on the forums, ESPECIALLY I researched almost all of the training guides in the USA forums, Polska, Dutch, Austrian, Spanish, Peru, Argentina, Taiwan, China, you name it. In every single country forum and even in the english global forum you will find the info that HA gives elastic effect to OD. You don't find that about DR.

I don't read country forums, so maybe that's why I miss out on a lot of into. But you are very wrong about it not showing up in the help forums. It wasn't my own assumption that DR gives elastics to OD. I read it up a few times, no one corrected it. And yes, with so many threads I am pretty sure I've never read anything about HA befor - maybe I missed out on it, but I certainly have not come across any in recent memory. Again, none of those are my own assumptions, so please don't assume that they are.

That said, I really appreciated that you actually came out to help me while also providing reliable sources. As I said, no one corrected those who gave out wrong info in the past, so that's what I learned. Things would certainly be better if you all come out to help us out more often, rather than keeping it within your community. I know you all have the right to keep your own secrets within your community if you want, but again, if it bothers you that misinformation is spread around, come out more often. Your knowledge would be greatly appreciated (or at least I would love to learn more of it).